Judging the lack of response to your question I don’t think anyone else
wants to tackle it. I’m modifying my response and responding back through
the forum in hopes of stimulating interest.



On the surface it doesn't feel good. I am confused about the airflow
described. It seems that the supply air is ducted from an HVAC unit in the
room to the underfloor area,  passing through the floor openings into the
room, through openings in the ceiling, with return air ducted from the
ceiling back to the HVAC unit. There are area-type smoke detectors on the
ceiling. I am not sure about the detectors under the floor.  By your words
“duct-type smoke detectors” these may be only in the supply duct or ducts
 in the underfloor.

Both the space above the ceiling and the underfloor space will have high
air velocities.  Smoke from a fire in the overhead will be diluted by the
airflow. It may be deleted further by makeup air at the HVAC unit. The
diluted smoke will pass one or more of the underfloor duct detectors. Also,
if a fire were to occur when the air system is down, there would be no
detector protection of the overhead or underfloor.  This means the preaction
system would not discharge water until smoke migrated to a detector.


It is unlikely that the performance of the smoke detectors would meet the
expectations of the owner.

I am somewhat notorious for saying, “The damn system won’t work”. In this
case it depends on the expectations.  If the ONLY task of the smoke
detection is to provide the “trigger” to permit the preaction valve to open
when a sprinkler operates (and the HVAC system is operating), the system
should do its job.  If the system is to provide early warning to limit fire
and smoke damage, it will not accomplish that.


There are holes in the floor to bring air into the room through equipment.
If there is a detector by each of these holes, smoke in the underfloor
should be detected appropriately.  If smoke detectors in the underfloor are
space as they are for normal room protection, it is likely that smoke can
travel from the underfloor without passing a detector.  Ceiling area-type
detectors will be looking at diluted smoke. Hopefully these detectors are
present at each return grille.


This seems to be an area which would best be served by an air aspirating
system.  Hopefully too, the air handling system is shut down when smoke
causes an alarm.  This so the sprinklers will have a chance to operate
sooner.


I’m not sure what your “Certification” is supposed to represent, but if it
is to include some assurance the system will do its job, I think this one
would not.  Even adding area-type smoke detectors would not be much of an
improvement.


So what is the goal?  Without a goal there can’t be valid tests.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 6:18 AM, Charles G Key <[email protected]> wrote:

> Greetings, I have a project with an It room that has  sprinklers below the
> raised floor, in the ceiling and above the ceiling. This is a double
> interlock system and they have installed detectors below the floor and in
> the ceiling. They are stating that the detection for the area above the
> ceiling is in the duct detectors below the floor.(supply). Since I am asked
> to certify the system, does anyone have an idea on the proper method to
> test
> the detectors for the above ceiling area? I could set off a smoke bomb
> above
> the ceiling, but how much smoke should it take? Ideas?
>
>
>
> C.Gregg Key SET
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