Charles. I once had the insulation guys put the insulation on the inside of the pipe in an exterior wall. When the lawsuits started they tried that, they tried saying insulation was the fire sprinkler company's responsibility, not the insulation company's, and their final plea was no one ever told them sprinkler water could freeze. Needless to say....
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello rongreenman, > > Oh I know why, Just the guys doing the insulation did it the other way, > Now they want a code reference before they will change it. Said they have > been doing it that way for years and nobody ever said anything. AHJ is > gonna make a "friendly stop" by and "happen" to discover it at this point. > > Thursday, June 4, 2015, 2:59:39 PM, you wrote: > > > The vapor barrier over the piping is to keep the insulation from getting > > under the pipes and insulating it from heat infiltration from the room > > below. The batts over tented spaces are used because it is easier to keep > > them in place at the desired thickness over the pipes, the most important > > place, than the blown stuff. > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Charles Thurston <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> Hello Jeff, > > >> Hard to do in an assisted living facility, Gotta have wet pipes to get > the > >> water to the rooms. > > >> Thursday, June 4, 2015, 1:38:40 PM, you wrote: > > >> > Don't we know it. The details and longevity is critical. Best to > >> > avoid the areas subject to freezing. > >> > Jeff Feid > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Sprinklerforum > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >> Scott A Futrell > >> > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:06 AM > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > Subject: RE: Insulation of pipe in attics > > >> > "Tenting" can be problematic regardless of where the vapor barrier is > >> located. > > >> > The tent must remain intact for the life of the structure and by > >> > intact I mean free from being disturbed by anyone in the space > >> > (electrical, cable, satellite, other) and if there are holes or gaps > >> > from the install, settling of the insulation, or someone in there, > >> > the cold air gets in. The cold also can be drawn in through holes > >> > or gaps by mechanical equipment creating a negative in the structure > >> > such as bathroom exhaust fans, kitchen exhaust fans, furnaces, > >> > fireplaces, and so on and a combination of those all operating at > >> > the same time makes the condition worse. > > >> > Be careful when you go this route. > > >> > Scott > >> > > >> > Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 > >> > Cell: (612) 759-5556 > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Sprinklerforum > >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >> Charles Thurston > >> > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:54 AM > >> > To: John Denhardt > >> > Subject: Re: Insulation of pipe in attics > > >> > Hello John, > > >> > Thank You. Those are good, but they are blowing in the insulation > >> > in the rest of the ceiling so they do not show the plastic sheeting > >> under the batts of insulation. > > >> > Thursday, June 4, 2015, 11:22:51 AM, you wrote: > > >> >> Look at the NFPA Research Foundation report that covers insulation > for > >> >> sprinkler piping. It has some very good details and pictures. > > >> >> John > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Sprinklerforum > >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >> >> Charles Thurston > >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:27 AM > >> >> To: [email protected] > >> >> Subject: Insulation of pipe in attics > > >> >> Hello Sprinklerforum, > > >> >> I have a project where they are using blown insulation in the > attic. > >> >> Per the diagram I have seen many times I showed plastic sheeting > >> >> draped over the pipe and batt insulation on top of the plastic. The > >> >> insulation installers put the batt on the pipe and plastic over that. > >> >> Looking for the code section that describes it with the plastic under > >> >> the pipe. I looked at 13 which refers back to 13D that I do not have > >> >> here, Any help on the section with the diagram? > > > > > >> > -- > >> > Best regards, > >> > Charles mailto:[email protected] > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > > >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > > >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > > >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> Charles mailto:[email protected] > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > > >> > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Charles mailto:[email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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