I agree Ron, it's not a layout tech or contractor responsibility, hence my tagging of "fire protection engineers".
Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29303 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 CH2MHILL Extension 74102 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman . Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 12:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: ESFR duration We shouldn't even be messing with water supplies as layout techs. That's engineering. We can, and do, do really well on most places. And we tend to get it right with the sprinklers (our specific specialty and job) on even the most sophisticated of sprinkler systems, but we are not responsible for the fire flows to the property (except for our limited purposes) and shouldn't be. On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 9:33 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Because 1-hour for a tire fire does nothing but get things wet. > > Water supplies for firefighting is one area where fire protection > engineers miss the mark big time. Too many don't even know about Fire > Flow out of the IFC. > > Had a warehouse storing rubber that burned, it was a 12 hour ground > attack, municipal supply was woefully insufficient for such an event. > FD had to draft from the harbor. > > What we often forget is that sprinklers may be the first responders > but behind that will be humans who have to actually do the dangerous > work of extinguishing a larger fire. When we neglect water supplies > and only see what's required in NFPA 13, we do them and the owner a great > disservice. > > Yes tanks and pumps cost money that may never be recouped, but a total > loss is pretty hard to overcome as well. > > Craig L. Prahl > Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29303 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Dan Arbel > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 11:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Grinnell F991 > > Dear All, > > Anybody knows why NFPA 13- Edition 2016 increased the required > duration of ESFR protection of rubber tires storage from 1 hour > (Edition 13) to 3 hours? > > > Regards > Dan Arbel Risk Engineering > T: 972-4-8243337 > F: 972-4-8243278 > M: 972-52-6611337 > Mail: [email protected] > W: www.riskmanage.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) A problem well stated is a problem half solved. -Charles F. Kettering, inventor and engineer (1876-1958) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
