The CT Fire Safety Code only recognizes the chapters of 101 for existing buildings, so 30 is not part of it. The project documents (which aren't worth the toilet paper they are printed on) did not include sprinklers in the parking area. My initial thought was that they are required, but no one has figured them to date. I guess the argument starts here. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-553-3553 (fax) 860-608-4559 (cell)
> > On Aug 29, 2017 at 11:40 AM, <Dick Culver (mailto:[email protected])> > wrote: > > > > > > I felt the same way but the codes indicates > differently. It is specifically limited to apartment buildings and in all > 3 codes. It takes a little work to get through IBC. NFPA > 1(2015)13.3.2.17.7 & 101: 30.3.5.7 exempts sprinklers. The key is the > approved separation between occupancies. We use IBC & NFPA with the NFPA > Codes taking precedence. > > > > Just a consideration. > > > > Dick > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete > Schwab > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 9:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Parking under 13R system > > > > > > > > > > Dick > > > > I have to disagree with you. If there is a residential occupancy in a > building, a sprinkler system shall be provided throughout the building. > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > 903.2.8 Group R. An automatic sprinkler system > > > > installed in accordance with Section 903.3 shall be provided > > > > throughout all buildings with a Group R fire area. > > > > > > > > > Peter Schwab > > > > VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies > > > > > > > > Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. > > > > 222 Capitol Court > > > > Ocoee, Fl 34761 > > > > > > > > Mobile: (407) 468-8248 > > > > Direct: (407) 877-5570 > > > > Fax: (407) 656-8026 > > > > > > > > www.waynefire.com (http://www.waynefire.com/) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sleep in a sprinklered home, do you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dick > Culver > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 9:44 AM > To: [email protected] > (mailto:[email protected]) > Subject: RE: Parking under 13R system > > > > > > > > > > I have not seen this put out there. Does the parking area meet the > definition of an “open” parking structure in accordance with NFPA 88A, if so > NFPA 101, NFPA 1 and IBC do not require protection under apartment buildings. > The architect has to maintain the proper horizontal separation. > > > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve > Leyton > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 6:55 PM > To: [email protected] > (mailto:[email protected]) > Subject: Re: Parking under 13R system > > > > > > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, we anticipated this in California and made > amendments to NFPA 13D and also the building code that address open carports > with living space above. Obviously, the requirement is to furnish sprinklers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > > > > From: Rocci Cetani 3 <[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])> > > > > > > Date: 8/28/17 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) > > > > > > To: [email protected] > (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > Subject: RE: Parking under 13R system > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is there is no definition for carport so it leave it open to > personal interpretation…… I did a quick search and most of the definitions > I can find say this or something similar “a shelter for a car > consisting of a roof supported on posts, built beside a house”. I always > think of carports as covered parking usually in front of the building. I > wouldn’t feel comfortable omitting sprinklers from a parking area below an > occupied multi-tenant space. > > > > > > > > > Rocci Cetani III, CET > > > > Senior Designer > > > > Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III > > > > > > > > Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc. > > > > 16840 Joleen Way Bldg. A > > > > Morgan Hill, CA 93037 > > > > P-(408) 776-1580 EXT.111 > > > > F-(408) 776-1590 > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > www.norcalfire.com (http://www.norcalfire.com/) > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any document accompanying it may > contain confidential information > > > > belonging to the sender. The information is intended only for the use of > individual or entity named above. 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If you have received this transmission in error, please > immediately notify us by telephone to arrange for return of the documents. > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 1:14 PM > To: Sprinklerforum > Subject: Re: Parking under 13R system > > > > > > > > > > > Rocco, > > > > > > > > > > > > But could it fall under the definition of a carport and be excluded per 6.6.5? > > > > > > > > Todd G Williams, PE > > > > > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > > > > > > Stonington, CT > > > > > > 860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080) (ofc) > > > > > > 860-553-3553 (tel:860-553-3553) (fax) > > > > > > 860-608-4559 (tel:860-608-4559) (cell) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 28, 2017 at 9:25 AM, <Rocci Cetani 3 (mailto:[email protected])> > wrote: > > > > > > Since its doesn’t fall under the definition of garages per 7.3.2 you are > directed to 7.2. We had this situation a few months ago on a project and > protected it per NFPA 13 OH 1 for parking garages. > > > > > > > > > Rocci Cetani III, CET > > > > Senior Designer > > > > Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III > > > > > > > > Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc. > > > > 16840 Joleen Way Bldg. A > > > > Morgan Hill, CA 93037 > > > > P-(408) 776-1580 EXT.111 > > > > F-(408) 776-1590 > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > www.norcalfire.com (http://www.norcalfire.com/) > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any document accompanying it may > contain confidential information > > > > belonging to the sender. The information is intended only for the use of > individual or entity named above. 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A number of years ago, I did a similar arrangement, but it was > a 13 system and the space was protected by a dry system. Thought on if > sprinklers are required? > > > > > > > > > > > > I know there was a thread or 2 about this, but only found the one about > sprinklers under train tracks. > > > > > > > > Todd G Williams, PE > > > > > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > > > > > > Stonington, CT > > > > > > 860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080) (ofc) > > > > > > 860-553-3553 (tel:860-553-3553) (fax) > > > > > > 860-608-4559 (tel:860-608-4559) (cell) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > (mailto:[email protected]) > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >
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