Everything you install or modify has to “work”. Anything that you know doesn’t 
is bad ethics and a huge liability issue. Give the owner the options for fully 
adequate systems and let him make the decision.   
  
  
  
 Todd G Williams, PE  
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
  
Stonington, CT
  
860-535-2080 (ofc)
  
860-553-3553 (fax)
  
860-608-4559 (cell)
  
  
  
  

  
  
>   
> On Oct 6, 2017 at 12:41 PM,  <SET Reed A. Roisum 
> (mailto:[email protected])>  wrote:
>   
>   
>         
>   
>
>  I have an existing pipe schedule system in a partially sprinklered 
> building…installed in 1969.    I am doing a life safety analysis that 
> includes budget estimating to provide new fire alarm and sprinklers.    The 
> existing pipe schedule portion of the system is considerably higher in 
> elevation and remote.    It doesn’t work hydraulically with the city supply.  
>   Even when I replace the system with larger pipe I can’t get the calc to 
> work.
>
>   
>
>     
>
>   
>
>  In order to install a new system or keep the existing system in place and 
> have it hydraulically “work” we will need to install a fire pump.    My 
> problem is, the owner may decide to just upgrade the fire alarm system and 
> not sprinkler the building if we need a fire pump as the sprinkler retrofit 
> is voluntary.
>
>   
>
>     
>
>   
>
>  My question for the Forum is, can an existing pipe schedule system be left 
> in place even if we retrofit the rest of the building and hydraulically prove 
> the rest of the building?
>
>   
>
>     
>
>   
>
>  NFPA 13, 2013 edition…
>
>   
>
>  23.5 Pipe Schedules      Pipe schedules shall not be used, except in 
> existing systems and in new systems or extensions to existing systems 
> described in Chapter 11.    Water supplies shall conform to 11.2.2.
>
>   
>
>     
>
>   
>
>  If I can meet the water supply requirements of Table 11.2.2.1 for Ordinary 
> Hazard, which is a minimum pressure of 20 psi flowing 850 gpm then is the 
> pipe schedule permitted?
>
>   
>
>     
>
>   
>
>  It appears as though I am out of luck because of 11.2.2.6.1 Residual 
> Pressure… The residual pressure requirement of Table 11.2.2.1 shall be met at 
> the elevation of the highest sprinkler.
>
>   
>
>     
>
>   
>
>  The main reason I can’t get the calc to work is because of elevation.
>
>   
>
>     
>
>   
>
>  I would assume the AHJ would be willing to work with us if the choices are… 
> 1. No upgrade to the sprinkler system, or 2. A fully sprinklered building 
> with 2000 sq ft that is pipe schedule and doesn’t work hydraulically.
>
>   
>
>     
>
>   
>
>  Any insight or ideas will be appreciated.
>
>   
>
>     
>
>   
>
>  Reed
>
>   
>
>     
>
>   
>
>     
>
>   
>   
>   
>
> Reed A. Roisum, SET|   Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc.|Senior Fire Protection 
> Designer   |   Fargo, ND   |   direct:701.552.9903  |mobile:   701.388.1352   
> |   KFIengineers.com (http://www.kfiengineers.com)
>
>   
>   
>  ______________________________________________________________________
>  This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service.
>  For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com
>  ______________________________________________________________________
>  _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list 
> [email protected] 
> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org  
>           
_______________________________________________
Sprinklerforum mailing list
[email protected]
http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org

Reply via email to