Brian:

 

You say the insurance guy is saying Grp A on racks.  25’ storage 30’
ceiling.  Chapter 15 is solid piled / palletized.  0.45/2500 is 12’ storage
up to 15’ ceiling.  I think you are a bit off there based on your
description.

 

Chap 17 is rack storage of plastics.  Location has meaning.

 

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From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On
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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 8:48 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Brian Harris <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Pump? Or Pump & Tank?

 

Hey Ken-

NFPA-13 (2013) 15.2.2 lead me to 15.2.6

 

Brian Harris, CET

BVS Systems Inc.

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Parsley Consulting via Sprinklerforum
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: Pump? Or Pump & Tank?

 

And to add on to what Steve noted - there are always four considerations -
at least - when protecting storage.  The ones I use:

1.      What is being stored?

*       If it's plastic, is it in cartons or exposed?

2.      How is it being stored? Racks? (single, double, multiple?) Pallets?
Shelf? 

*        Is it encapsulated? Not really an issue when protecting plastics
however.

3.      How high is the intended/possible storage?
 
4.      How high is the ceiling above the top of the storage?

There are any number of other considerations such as roof slope.  Until you
have all that data any approach in protecting storage is incomplete.

Also, I looked into chapter 17 for storage of plastics up to 25' in racks,
and I didn't find one which had a remote area of 2,500 ft² and a density of
0.45.  Where did you come up with 0.45/2500?

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Parsley Consulting
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On 09/12/2019 8:12 AM, Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum wrote:

Do you know how to do a flow rate projection from a two point flow test?
I figure that with overflow your .45/2500 will require 1250 GPM + 500 GPM
hose, yes?   At 1750 GPM your flow test projects to a residual pressure of
22-23 PSI, so you don’t need a tank but you do need a pump.  

 

Steve L.

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 8:08 AM
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Cc: Brian Harris
Subject: Pump? Or Pump & Tank?

 

An insurance adjuster is telling a local packaging plant they need to update
their current sprinkler system to meet the higher demands of product they
are now storing. Adjuster is classifying everything as Unexpanded Group A
plastics, on racks, max 25’ storage, max 30’ ceilings. One option allows
.45/2500 + 500 hose using 11.2K heads. Running some quick numbers I’m around
1850 GPM @ 65 PSI. The latest flow test is only 84 Static, 60 Residual @
1010 GPM. They’ve been told their gonna need a pump, I’m thinking they need
more water as well. Thoughts?

 

 

Brian Harris, CET

BVS Systems Inc.

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