Allow me to expand on this a bit.  I'm referring to areas that NFPA 13
allows sprinklers to be omitted - specifically the 'middle' area of a
noncombustible stair shaft with noncombustible stairs.  If I provide
sprinklers at the top and below the lowest landing, then I believe I've
sprinklers it "throughout".   A forum member sent me a few pages of the IBC
w/commentary (thanks!).  It reads, in part, ". . if the standard allows for
the omission of sprinklers in any location, then the building is still
considered as sprinklered throughout."  That's what I was hoping for.
Thanks to everyone for responding.

 

Ed

Bamford Fire

 

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To clarify, because I think many misunderstand this, throughout would be in
accordance with the appropriate standard.  For example, it would not require
additional sprinklers in pantries in a 13R building or sprinklers above a
ceiling in a non-combustible 13 building.  I have had AHJs in the past try
to start adding sprinklers where the standard allows them to be omitted
because they don't understand.

 

Taking the exception for alternate means of protection that Craig mentions
below may be fine with the adopted fire code and local AHJ but it is not in
compliance with the standard.

 


Nick Maneen, SET 

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When the IBC/IFC doesn't provide a specific definition we are told (ref.
2018 IFC) 201.4 Terms not defined. Where terms are not defined

through the methods authorized by this section, such terms shall have
ordinarily accepted meanings such as the context implies. Merriam Webster's
Collegiate Dictionary, 11th Edition, shall be considered as providing
ordinarily accepted meanings.

 

Throughout means throughout.  

 

We've just been through this definition issue with a local architect.
Omission of sprinklers in a Control room with Sapphire provided is
acceptable as an alternative by the AHJ but the building loses all
advantages or allowances that are given to a fully sprinklered building
since taking out sprinklers and substituting a gaseous system no longer
qualifies as being sprinklered throughout.  Basically any part of the code
that allows you to do something a little more risky or bigger, higher, wider
or of greater quantity or whatever based on a fully sprinklered building or
where sprinklers are installed throughout, now goes away and you can't do
those things.  

 

The Commentary spells this out in great detail.  2018, IFC Commentary,
903.1.1.  

 

Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 |
<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] |
<http://www.jacobs.com/> www.jacobs.com

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] IBC "throughout"

 

There are countless sections in the IBC that say sprinklers shall be  " . .
.installed throughout . ." or ". . .provided throughout . ." or  ".
.equipped throughout . ." or something similar.  But I don't' see where the
IBC tells me what "throughout" means.  I've assumed it meant sprinklers in
all areas that the applicable NFPA standard (NFPA 13 in this case) requires
them, but not in areas that the applicable NFPA standard allows them to be
omitted.  I've learned, since the IBC doesn't define the term, there are
jurisdictions that define it differently - more specifically they don't
recognize the omissions that NFPA 13 allows, only the exempt locations
listed in IBC section 903.3.1.1.1.  

 

Is anyone aware of an IBC document that would shed some light on this?  I've
found a number of articles from consultants, associations, etc., but
something directly from the IBC would carry a lot more weight.

 

Ed Kramer

Bamford Fire Sprinkler

 

 

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