These (there are 2 of them) are canopies over doors at a pre school that open up to the outdoor play area. The only thing under them that I am aware of are 2 picnic tables under each. A 8.15.7.5 says that combustible furniture would not necessarily drive a need for sprinklers. I would also think that, given the occupancy, grills or other heating equipment would not be present. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080) (ofc) 860-554-7054 (tel:860-554-7054) (fax) 860-608-4559 (tel:860-608-4559) (cell)
> > On Apr 16, 2020 at 11:07 AM, <Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum Prahl > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org)> wrote: > > > > > > What is the purpose of the canopies? What’s going on underneath? > What’s the occupancy classification? > > > > > > > > > Craig Prahl |Jacobs| Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | > craig.pr...@jacobs.com (mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com)|www.jacobs.com > (http://www.jacobs.com/) > > > > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > On Behalf Of John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 10:52 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: John Denhardt <jdenha...@firesprinkler.org>; Matt Grise > <m...@afpsprink.com> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fabric canopies > > > > > > > > > > Fully agree with Matt. > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > John August Denhardt, P.E. > > > > > Vice-President Engineering and Technical Services > > > > > > American Fire Sprinkler Association > > > > > > 301-343-1457 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum > > <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org)> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “…are constructed utilizing a noncombustible frame, limited combustibles, > > or fire retardant-treated wood with an inherently flame resistant fabric > > overlay as demonstrated by Test Method 2…” > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems unlikely that it was the intent of the code language to separate > > the FRT wood from the other potential fabric support structures, but it > > could be read that way. If that was the argument, then someone would be > > saying that an aluminum frame was less fire safe than one made of FRT wood. > > That also seems unlikely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote would be that the intent was to lump all of the cloth-covered-frame > > types together into a group of canopies that don’t need sprinklers…. But it > > would be pretty easy to request an interpretation and get a more > > authoritative opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > > (mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org)> On Behalf Of > > Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:01 AM > > To: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org)> > > Cc: Fpdcdesign <fpdcdes...@gmail.com (mailto:fpdcdes...@gmail.com)> > > Subject: Re: Fabric canopies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That version talks about fabric overlay on treated wood. This is just a > > pre-stretched fabric over an aluminum frame; no wood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Todd G Williams, PE > > > > > > > > > > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > > > > > > > > > > > > Stonington, CT > > > > > > > > > > > > 860-535-2080 (tel:860-535-2080) (ofc) > > > > > > > > > > > > 860-554-7054 (tel:860-554-7054) (fax) > > > > > > > > > > > > 860-608-4559 (tel:860-608-4559) (cell) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 2020 at 9:44 AM, <Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org)> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NFPA 13 2016 8.15.7.2 discusses non-combustible frames covered with > > > inherently flame resistant fabric overlay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org)> On Behalf Of > > > Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum > > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:40 AM > > > To: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org)> > > > Cc: Fpdcdesign <fpdcdes...@gmail.com (mailto:fpdcdes...@gmail.com)> > > > Subject: Fabric canopies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am working on a building that has two 22 ft wide x 10 ft deep exterior > > > canopies. The construction is fire retardant fabric over an aluminum > > > frame. There is no storage underneath. NFPA 13 section 8.15.2.7 reference > > > omitting sprinklers where fire retardant wood is present, but mentions > > > nothing about any other fire retardant materials. 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