As Travis stated, it is in the works! đ Thanks, John
John August Denhardt, P.E. Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated 4011 Penn Belt Place Forestville, Maryland 20747-4737 301.474.1136 - Office 301.343.1457 - Mobile From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:02 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Travis Mack <[email protected]>; Mitchell, Scott <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [External] Re: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping That is processing đđŒ Travis Mack, SET Engineering Manager MFP Design [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 480-505-9271 x700 NEW MOBILE : (480) 272-2471 Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D&reserved=0> On May 21, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Mitchell, Scott via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: ï»ż You might try an informal interpretation from John August Denhart and company. âș Scott Mitchell From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of J H via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:43 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: J H <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [External] Re: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping You're going to have to get your ammo, your formal interpretations and get an audience with the little princess's boss - the king. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 5:46 PM Rod DiBona via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Maybe look at the contract for dispute resolution. Hopefully push past the GC to the owner for their decision before it goes to mediation etc. Check the contract that the GC has with the owner that the sprinkler sub is likely tied to. May be a case where this tie helps. At the end of the day the owner pays the bill. Would help to understand the GCâs contract. Is it a firm fixed? GC plus fee? How is the contingency money handled? Split with the GC? 100% back to owner. I would know these things before going this route. Good luck, this clearly isnât right. Rod DiBona Chief Operating Officer R.F.P.G Rapid Fire Protection Group 1530 Samco Road Rapid City, SD 57702 Office-605-348-2342 Cell- 605-391-3553 www.rapidfireinc.com<http://www.rapidfireinc.com/> [cid:[email protected]][cid:[email protected]] From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:36 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 'Matt Grise' <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 'Rocci 3 Cetani' <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping Seems like we have an AHJ not backing down. We had the reviewing engineer for the sprinkler plans write a letter stating that the criteria is in compliance with NFPA and that limited quantities of combustibles are permitted above the ceiling and still classify it as non-combustible. This is data cabling and waste vent piping that the inspector is drawing a line in the sand to provide protection above the ceilings of a large high school. I have been working getting informal interpretations from various entities to support our position. GC is telling sprinkler contractor it was design build so no change order. But, specs say to put sprinklers above ceiling if structure is combustible or if steel beams are not fire proofed. In this project, the steel beams are fire proofed. The contract âintentâ drawings call out to add sprinklers below stairs if combustible but no where else in the project. There is nothing to indicate sprinklers would be required above the ceilings. A similar school built the next jurisdiction over does not have sprinklers above the ceiling. I have been told other projects in this jurisdiction have the same construction and same situation with no sprinklers above the ceiling. One of them referenced is a hospital. Iâm sure the data cabling in a hospital is far greater than a high school. This one is going to get interesting. And probably pretty ugly. From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:55 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 'Matt Grise' <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 'Rocci 3 Cetani' <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping Yeah. That is the conundrum we are in. From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Rocci 3 Cetani via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:55 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: Rocci 3 Cetani <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Matt Grise <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping Only problem is its vague and I think the committee did that on purpose. âminor quantitiesâ is up for too much interpretation Rocci Cetani III, CET Senior Designer Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc. 16840 Joleen Way Bldg. A Morgan Hill, CA 93037 P-(408) 776-1580 EXT.1010 F-(408) 776-1590 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.norcalfire.com<http://www.norcalfire.com/> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any document accompanying it may contain confidential information belonging to the sender. The information is intended only for the use of individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone to arrange for return of the documents. From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:52 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: Matt Grise <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping The NFPA13 annex and handbook address this directly. NFPA 13 A8.15.1.2.1 âminor quantities of combustible materials such as but not limited to cabling, nonmetallic plumbing piping⊠âŠshould not typically be viewed as requiring sprinklers.â Matt From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:39 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping We have a fairly good sized school project. Plumber ran ABS drain piping. Electrician has some cabling not in conduit. Inspector is stating the space is now combustible and requires sprinklers above all ceiling areas. Has anyone run into this and how was it resolved? Drawings and specs do not indicate sprinklers required above ceiling spaces. But the GC is trying to force it down the contractorâs throat if it is required and of course it is now holding up the job. 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