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Bunch of small compartments. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Bob Knight, CET III > > Fire by Knight, LLC > > 208-318-3057 > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [ > mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] *On Behalf Of > *Kyle.Montgomery > via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:33 PM > *To:* b...@firebyknight.com; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Cc:* Kyle.Montgomery > *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Floor area less than required > > > > That sounds correct. > > > > It seems strange that your calculation is over-discharging by more than > 100% though. Minimum discharge is 90 GPM and you’re discharging over 200 > GPM? Do you have like 13 sprinklers jammed into this area? > > > > -Kyle M > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> *On > Behalf Of *Bob Knight via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:27 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Cc:* Bob Knight <b...@firebyknight.com> > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: Floor area less than required > > > > So, in this case I’m discharging over 200 gpm due to the number of > sprinklers in the area. Based on this I shouldn’t need to add any > additional flow, correct? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Bob Knight, CET III > > Fire by Knight, LLC > > 208-318-3057 > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [ > mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] *On Behalf Of *Shawn > Foor via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2020 4:23 PM > *To:* b...@firebyknight.com; sprinklerforum > *Cc:* Shawn Foor > *Subject:* Re: Floor area less than required > > > > That is the way I read it as well. You would have to add the additional 6 > GPM. > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:03 PM Bob Knight via Sprinklerforum < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > > NFPA 13, 2016 ed. States: > > 23.4.4.2.5 Where the total design discharge from these oper- > > ating sprinklers is less than the minimum required discharge > > determined by multiplying the required design density times > > the required minimum design area, an additional flow shall be > > added at the point of connection of the branch line to the > > cross main furthest from the source to increase the overall > > demand, not including hose stream allowance, to the mini- > > mum required discharge. > > > > This is kinda gray to me. Does it mean that if I have a light hazard area > that is only 884 sf (offices in a shop) > > and the area modifier being applied will allow for a 900 sf area, then I > would need a minimum discharge of 90 gpm over the entire area? > > Then, if my calculations bare out 92 gpm nothing else needs done, but if > they came out to 84 gpm an additional flow of 6 gpm would need to be added? > > > > Sorry about the run on sentences, just confused. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Bob Knight, CET III > > Fire by Knight, LLC > > 208-318-3057 > > <image003.jpg> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > <https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__lists.firesprinkler.org_listinfo.cgi_sprinklerforum-2Dfiresprinkler.org%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3Dwn3mZQLIuInh2ClcJ0_DIA%26r%3DZ_2A85VL7AQzoqudh6uOyS3bn8etxB7nLN8OBJwQd9A%26m%3D_2ppVlQRx7Fb57SSZ9NkK5o7rXDrqJ5TJ7l_rnRCOms%26s%3DehlEtH7Yni3MIGcXuqxP2PJVlM6NhOL93jbj5WooRyk%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Crhinson%40burnsmcd.com%7C4e204a301e5a4d4d2d4808d812bad89b%7Cbfbb9a2b6d994e78b3c795005d555c8b%7C0%7C0%7C637279941001930795&sdata=dxVIuP3GYpb9eebVNWrNIk4HbqphOwrqp0uLQcjN%2FEY%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > -- > > Shawn Foor, SET > > > > *FOOR DESIGN, LLC* > > *10208 E 98TH ST* > > *TULSA, OK 74133* > > *P:918-237-1400* > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.firesprinkler.org%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fsprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org&data=02%7C01%7Crhinson%40burnsmcd.com%7C4e204a301e5a4d4d2d4808d812bad89b%7Cbfbb9a2b6d994e78b3c795005d555c8b%7C0%7C0%7C637279941001960783&sdata=hbeJziI2FKet1VjmngnSe0OQrc64FSd2ti520xLKiWc%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >
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