The liquid is a corrosive, non-issue from our perspective. I would wager they don't have adequate secondary containment or spill control within the room where these are stored which is why they're using these IBC containment units.
I'd be curious how many totes do they store in this area? If the number is small, is there another room where they can be stored, possibly one that could be provided with the proper secondary containment whereby allowing the totes to be placed on the slab or one that could be protected properly but less costly being of a smaller footprint? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 CONTACT BY: email or MS TEAMS -----Original Message----- From: Steve Mackinnon <ste...@hartcorn.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 3:16 PM To: Prahl, Craig/GVL <craig.pr...@jacobs.com>; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Art Tiroly <atir...@atcofirepro.com> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: question about Storage height I'm not sure if attachments are allowed, if yes this is the situation... I believe the liquid is classified as a low commodity, leaving the plastic containers as the driving force... ok, I'm on board with this. We are trying to reduce the overall plastic height or commodity classification... a Group A plastic upgrade at 10 feet is costing them six figures in FS upgrades (new underground, fire pump etc). -----Original Message----- From: Prahl, Craig/GVL <craig.pr...@jacobs.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 2:53 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Steve Mackinnon <ste...@hartcorn.com>; Art Tiroly <atir...@atcofirepro.com> Subject: RE: question about Storage height You don't have 5 ft of commodity. The liquid within the tote is irrelevant to the hazard. You essentially have a plastic hazard that is 10 ft in height. Now, there are some schools of thought that derate the level of hazard due to the liquid acting as a heat sink and thereby providing a reduced potential for fire involvement when compared to that of the empty totes. But, since there are empty as well as full and possibly partially full totes, it would be safer to assume the hazard as a Group A plastic at 10 ft in height and move on. Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 CONTACT BY: email or MS TEAMS -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Steve Mackinnon via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 1:46 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Steve Mackinnon <ste...@hartcorn.com>; Art Tiroly <atir...@atcofirepro.com> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: question about Storage height Thank you everyone who replied, it appears it's not as clear cut as one would think lol. The plastic tote below does have a solid top, but I would assume there would be opening in the cover to allow any spillage or leaks to fall into the vessel. And allow any sprinkler water to fill the totes... but again, these are one time usage only. Not sure if it helps, but there are only 3-5 of these in the warehouse... I just find it hard to wrap my head around protecting 10 foot of storage for only 5 feet of commodity. Thank you again! -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Art Tiroly via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 1:35 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Art Tiroly <atir...@atcofirepro.com> Subject: RE: question about Storage height Is the spill container open top? That will be an issue. These sound like plastic totes. If the liquid is not combustible the empty tote is still a lot of plastic Art -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Scott Futrell via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:32 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com>; Mike Hairfield <fsl...@msn.com> Subject: RE: question about Storage height You didn't mention what the liquid is. If it is a hazardous material as recognized by the International Fire Code then the 'empty' container is still considered full unless completely cleaned. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 8:08 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Mike Hairfield <fsl...@msn.com> Subject: Re: question about Storage height It should be 10 feet even though the other container is empty it's still plastic. Mike ________________________________ From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> on behalf of Steve Mackinnon via Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:02 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Steve Mackinnon <ste...@hartcorn.com>; Peter Howard <phow...@hartcorn.com> Subject: question about Storage height Good morning all, We have a storage situation where the liquid commodity is in a 5 foot plastic storage cube, with an equally sized empty plastic container below. The empty container below is only there to act as a spill collection vessel. The question our office has been banging around, what is the storage height??? Would this be considered 5 feet of storage or 10 feet? Would you take any exception to the plastic containers (like when we change the commodity classification with wood to plastic pallets)? 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