Hi all,
I guess I got too excited when I introduced these features because it
didn't take too much time to do it (usually I spent a lot of time trying
to understand/develop new code) and since the easiest way to show new
things to users is landing them in trunk, I did it without giving too
much thought. Now I realize it was too hasty on my part and that I
should have asked for other devs suggestions/comments. This also shows
that we need proper review mechanisms, that ironically I've been
strongly suggesting the last couple of months!
So here are my proposals:
1. In the short term: Separate quotes completion from braces completion
as an option in Preferences and leave it off by default. Give me a week
and a half to push several fixes I have drafted for this feature and
release 2.1.8.
2. In the midterm: Open a 2.2 branch to start development of new
features without fearing to break the stable branch. Try to do this
every time a new release is done to avoid this to happen again.
3. We also need to agree on a proper review process before any developer
can push to trunk (even in the 2.2 branch). Since my proposal to move to
Github was not well received I think we can stay at googlecode but with
some modifications to our workflow. I've been discussing this with Jed
off-list and when we have something more concrete I'll send a new
message to the list so all of us can fine tune the missing details.
What do you think?
Cheers,
Carlos
El 13/02/12 14:24, Pierre Raybaut escribió:
I do agree with Anatoly.
For the first time in weeks, I had the opportunity to play with Spyder
(I have a new position at work, with new responsibilities, so I have
been disconnected from the project lately, but I'll be back soon I
hope). And while I was doing a demo of our internal tools to a
colleague, I was really fighting against the editor to write strings
(I ended disabling the feature in editor's preferences page): the fact
that ending quotes are inserted automatically does not help me as I'm
used to close them manually (which has the effect of inserting again a
couple of quotes instead...), so instead of closing them manually, I'm
pressing the right arrow key (if I intend to write something just
after the string) one time or three times (for triple quotes), giving
me the impression that there is no real improvement because without
this feature, I would hit the quote key exactly as many times. Maybe
it's useful for people who use more the mouse than me, but I'm quite
convinced that it's more efficient to use less the mouse and more the
keyboard for writing source code. Anyway there is certainly a better
way to use the feature I guess.
Regarding the fact that this new feature ended in a maintenance
release, that is unfortunate. When releasing v2.1.7, I admit that I
didn't realize how much the feature was imposed to the end user. The
fact is that a maintenance release do not give us the opportunity to
test this kind of new feature -- we only have the time to debug, not
to test new behaviors.
So I think that we should come up with a new release very soon and
take a step back on this feature: remove it temporarily or disable it
by default.
And last but not least, Carlos, do not take it for you. We are a team
and we should have seen this coming together.
Cheers
Pierre
Le 13 févr. 2012 à 17:42, anatoly techtonik <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :
No need to apologize. It is nice to know that it is something being
worked on. I was afraid that the work is abandoned and Spyder is left
in the current state. Perhaps it is worth to put these changes off
the radar into separate branch if further activity is unlikely to
happen anytime soon.
But for now I'd like to understand what's happening. The way to
increase visibility that I see is to add numbered description for
each separate autocompletion feature to wiki page (probably with +1
button) to see which of them are useful, and which are conflicting.
Perhaps debug panel with checkboxes that turn on these autocompletion
features and logging for events of these features can make the
process more inspiring.
I can't describe the process clearly, but the one user story that is
clearly annoying is when you copy/paste some stuff and then put it in
quotes.
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2012/2/9 Carlos Córdoba <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sorry for that (I was the one who introduced those changes). What
are your main complaints and what I can do to fix them? Notice
that a group of users and me are working to improve the
shortcoming of this feature in Issue 872. Unfortunately I haven't
had time to work on it during the last couple of weeks.
In principle I could add an option to separate quote completion
from brace completion. That would be ok?
El 09/02/12 06:11, anatoly techtonik escribió:
I find the quotes autocompletion pretty annoying in current
repository version (2.1.7+). I don't remember being so
constrained with writing in Spyder before. Am I the only one?
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