Done. 2012/2/20, Carlos Córdoba <[email protected]>: > I just saw the new comments, so I think we should release 2.1.8 ASAP. > > Thanks again, > Carlos > > El 20/02/12 11:26, Pierre Raybaut escribió: >> Depending on the next comments on the discussion regarding the Ubuntu >> package >> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/spyder/+bug/887177?comments=all), >> I'll rename the version v2.1.7.1 to v2.1.8 and officially release it. >> >> 2012/2/20, Pierre Raybaut<[email protected]>: >>> So, now, the plan is not to release a v2.1.8 with the 'automatic colon >>> insertion' feature fixed. >>> I think that we should *not* integrate this new feature until v2.2. >>> >>> Now that the v21 repository has been created: >>> * the default repository is for v2.2 development: >>> https://code.google.com/p/spyderlib/source/checkout?repo=default >>> * the v21 repository is for v2.1 maintenance: >>> https://code.google.com/p/spyderlib/source/checkout?repo=v21 >>> >>> -Pierre >>> >>> 2012/2/20, Pierre Raybaut<[email protected]>: >>>> Please ignore my last message. >>>> >>>> Actually I'm pushing my changes in the v21 repository: >>>> https://code.google.com/p/spyderlib.v21/ >>>> >>>> So I'm not changing the default repository. >>>> >>>> Please take a look and eventually test it. >>>> >>>> Anatoly, here is the patch from v2.1.7 to v2.1.7.1: >>>> http://spyderlib.googlecode.com/files/spyder_v217_to_v2171.diff >>>> Thanks for alerting us on this urgent matter. >>>> >>>> -Pierre >>>> >>>> 2012/2/20, Pierre Raybaut<[email protected]>: >>>>> Actually no... >>>>> >>>>> My brutal but efficient method was based on the fact that -as I >>>>> suggested in my previous email- the repository was not changed >>>>> meanwhile... I'm afraid I have to reset the repository: I don't have >>>>> the time to redo these changes on top of these new revisions of yours. >>>>> >>>>> 2012/2/20, Carlos Córdoba<[email protected]>: >>>>>> Ok, I hope with the changes I just pushed it'll be a little bit easier >>>>>> for you to remove it :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Carlos >>>>>> >>>>>> El 20/02/12 09:41, Pierre Raybaut escribió: >>>>>>> After reading the discussion on the Ubuntu page linked by Anatoly, >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> getting the impression that it would be best for us to do both: >>>>>>> 1. Fix v2.1.7 with a patch (2.1.7.1) >>>>>>> 2. Release v2.1.8 after testing it carefully. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm pushing the commit corresponding to point #1 in a few minutes. >>>>>>> Please do not push anything meanwhile. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then, from this version, we will reintroduce your feature. As it is >>>>>>> not a very invasive feature (see the forthcoming commit removing it >>>>>>> completely), you may reintroduce it in a single commit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 20 févr. 2012 à 15:32, "Carlos Córdoba"<[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thought Ubuntu guys select minor point releases that include bug >>>>>>>> and security fixes. So I was suggesting to release 2.1.8 and let >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> pick it up. But if I'm mistaken about it, then what you're >>>>>>>> suggesting >>>>>>>> is the best course action (although I agree a brutal one). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> El 20/02/12 09:26, Pierre Raybaut escribió: >>>>>>>>> Of course, you may finish what you started. But there is no place >>>>>>>>> for any mistake here as it will have a huge impact on Spyder's >>>>>>>>> distribution for 2 years, until the next Ubuntu LTS release. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So what I was about to do was to simply backout all changesets >>>>>>>>> related to this feature. This is brutal but success is guaranteed. >>>>>>>>> This will easily lead to a simple commit to the main branch undoing >>>>>>>>> all these changes and to a single patch for the Ubuntu package >>>>>>>>> (that >>>>>>>>> would be v2.1.7.1). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you think about that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le 20 févr. 2012 à 15:13, "Carlos Córdoba"<[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry for my late answer. I just saw the message. I've been >>>>>>>>>> working >>>>>>>>>> during the weekend and I'm almost done. Even if we revert the >>>>>>>>>> feature we have to release a new version, so could you let me >>>>>>>>>> finish the fixes? I can upload half of them right now and the rest >>>>>>>>>> for late today or at most tomorrow. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> El 15/02/12 03:17, Pierre Raybaut escribió: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Le 15 févr. 2012 à 05:19, "Carlos Córdoba"<[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm glad we both agree on the main points of my proposals :) I >>>>>>>>>>>> have just one question (please see below): >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> El 14/02/12 12:28, Pierre Raybaut escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 14 févr. 2012 à 16:12, "Carlos Córdoba"<[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess I got too excited when I introduced these features >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it didn't take too much time to do it (usually I spent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time trying to understand/develop new code) and since >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the easiest way to show new things to users is landing them in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trunk, I did it without giving too much thought. Now I realize >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was too hasty on my part and that I should have asked for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other devs suggestions/comments. This also shows that we need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proper review mechanisms, that ironically I've been strongly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting the last couple of months! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So here are my proposals: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. In the short term: Separate quotes completion from braces >>>>>>>>>>>>>> completion as an option in Preferences and leave it off by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> default. Give me a week and a half to push several fixes I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drafted for this feature and release 2.1.8. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok. As a side note, let's not forget that the feature must be >>>>>>>>>>>>> disabled by default on new installations. Changing the default >>>>>>>>>>>>> value in config.py or in the appropriate CONF.get call will do >>>>>>>>>>>>> this. It will also set the option off for upgrades from v2.1.6 >>>>>>>>>>>>> (or earlier) to v2.1.8, but it won't change the option state >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrades from v2.1.7 to v2.1.8 because the option already >>>>>>>>>>>>> exists >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the .ini configuration file. But we have to set it off for >>>>>>>>>>>>> this kind of upgrade to I think. There is a thing to do in >>>>>>>>>>>>> config.py to force using the default values without resetting >>>>>>>>>>>>> all features. I'll check this. >>>>>>>>>>>> Since right now quote completion and brace completion are tied >>>>>>>>>>>> together in a single option, are you saying that we have to >>>>>>>>>>>> disabled the latter for 2.1.8, besides introducing a new and >>>>>>>>>>>> lonely quote completion option? >>>>>>>>>>> Oh no, you're right. The fact that we will split the current >>>>>>>>>>> single option entry in two new options will indeed override >>>>>>>>>>> settings in all situations mentioned in my previous email. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So let's forget what I wrote :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Carlos >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. In the midterm: Open a 2.2 branch to start development of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new features without fearing to break the stable branch. Try >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do this every time a new release is done to avoid this to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen again. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This was my intention indeed but creating this branch too soon >>>>>>>>>>>>> would have monopolized a great part of our energy on new >>>>>>>>>>>>> features instead of stabilizing the current release. And, as >>>>>>>>>>>>> long as issues are reported at a certain rate after a new >>>>>>>>>>>>> release, I prefer that resources are concentrating on solving >>>>>>>>>>>>> these issues instead of developing new features. There are >>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptions to this rule of course: I did introduce new features >>>>>>>>>>>>> between v2.1.0 and v2.1.7 but their impact on Spyder's source >>>>>>>>>>>>> code were very limited and I carefully tested them (more >>>>>>>>>>>>> importantly, these new features added something new but without >>>>>>>>>>>>> changing Spyder's behavior: in other words, in the worst case >>>>>>>>>>>>> scenario, the end user would not use them at all by simply >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignoring their existence). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So now would be a good time to create this branch indeed. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. We also need to agree on a proper review process before any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> developer can push to trunk (even in the 2.2 branch). Since my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposal to move to Github was not well received I think we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay at googlecode but with some modifications to our >>>>>>>>>>>>>> workflow. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been discussing this with Jed off-list and when we have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something more concrete I'll send a new message to the list so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of us can fine tune the missing details. >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's perfectly fine with me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>>> As I wrote above, I completely agree with you. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking the time to write these propositions. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carlos >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> El 13/02/12 14:24, Pierre Raybaut escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do agree with Anatoly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the first time in weeks, I had the opportunity to play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Spyder (I have a new position at work, with new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibilities, so I have been disconnected from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lately, but I'll be back soon I hope). And while I was doing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demo of our internal tools to a colleague, I was really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighting against the editor to write strings (I ended >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabling the feature in editor's preferences page): the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that ending quotes are inserted automatically does not help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I'm used to close them manually (which has the effect of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inserting again a couple of quotes instead...), so instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closing them manually, I'm pressing the right arrow key (if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intend to write something just after the string) one time or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three times (for triple quotes), giving me the impression >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no real improvement because without this feature, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would hit the quote key exactly as many times. Maybe it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful for people who use more the mouse than me, but I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite convinced that it's more efficient to use less the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mouse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and more the keyboard for writing source code. Anyway there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a better way to use the feature I guess. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the fact that this new feature ended in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance release, that is unfortunate. When releasing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> v2.1.7, I admit that I didn't realize how much the feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imposed to the end user. The fact is that a maintenance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release do not give us the opportunity to test this kind of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new feature -- we only have the time to debug, not to test >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behaviors. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I think that we should come up with a new release very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and take a step back on this feature: remove it temporarily >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disable it by default. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And last but not least, Carlos, do not take it for you. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a team and we should have seen this coming together. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 13 févr. 2012 à 17:42, anatoly techtonik >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No need to apologize. It is nice to know that it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being worked on. I was afraid that the work is abandoned and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spyder is left in the current state. Perhaps it is worth to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put these changes off the radar into separate branch if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further activity is unlikely to happen anytime soon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for now I'd like to understand what's happening. The way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to increase visibility that I see is to add numbered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> description for each separate autocompletion feature to wiki >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page (probably with +1 button) to see which of them are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful, and which are conflicting. Perhaps debug panel with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checkboxes that turn on these autocompletion features and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logging for events of these features can make the process >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more inspiring. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't describe the process clearly, but the one user story >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is clearly annoying is when you copy/paste some stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then put it in quotes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anatoly t. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/2/9 Carlos Córdoba<[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for that (I was the one who introduced those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes). What are your main complaints and what I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix them? Notice that a group of users and me are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working to improve the shortcoming of this feature in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Issue 872. Unfortunately I haven't had time to work on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the last couple of weeks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In principle I could add an option to separate quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completion from brace completion. That would be ok? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El 09/02/12 06:11, anatoly techtonik escribió: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find the quotes autocompletion pretty annoying in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current repository version (2.1.7+). 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