thank you so much Michael !! much better

few last things are 

WITH RECURSIVE all_parents(id, rank) AS 
SELECT groups_recursive.id, "1" 
FROM groups_recursive, groups_recursive_parents__groups_recursive_children 

quotes around the 1, this leads to ERROR:  column "1" does not exist

+

the param :rank_1 feels weird, it is generated by the """rank + 1""" in
 union(
         select([groups.c.id, rank + 1]).\

but it feels really close to the solution

best
NiL

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