technically Table and TableClause are a little bit different but I don't think 
there's any behavioral difference at the level of execute(obj.insert()).   what 
matters more is if the Column objects have datatypes or defaults that incur 
some kind of Python-side processing or not.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 4:33 PM, 'Jonathan Vanasco' via sqlalchemy wrote:
> This was not clear enough in Mike's post: `Foo.__table__` is the same type of 
> object as `_foo = table(...)`.  SQLAlchemy ORM is built on top of 
> SQLAlchemy's Core, so the  ORM's `.__table__` attribute is the Core's 
> `table()` object.
> 
> Since they're the same, the two will have the same performance within 
> `conn.execute(`.
> 
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 4:18:46 PM UTC-5 Kata Char wrote:
>> I see, does that mean there is no difference in performance if one or the 
>> other is used? In other words
>>     from sqlalchemy.sql import table
>> 
>>     _foo = table(...)
>>     conn.execute(_foo.insert(), [{...}, ...])
>> 
>> Would have the same performance as `conn.execute(Foo.__table__.insert(), 
>> [{...}, ...])`
>> 
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 8:27:53 AM UTC-8 Mike Bayer wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Kata Char wrote:
>>>> Hi, sorry if this post is a duplicate, my first one didn't seem to make it.
>>>> 
>>>> I was reading the documentation:
>>>> - https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/13/core/tutorial.html#execute-multiple
>>>> 
>>>> - 
>>>> https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/13/_modules/examples/performance/bulk_inserts.html
>>>> 
>>>> Is there any difference between conn.execute(TableClause.insert(), [...]) 
>>>> vs conn.execute(Model.__table__.insert(), [...])?
>>>> 
>>>> The first one is documented to use execumany(), but what about the second 
>>>> one? 
>>> 
>>> Any conn.execute() that passes a list of dictionaries as the second 
>>> argument, where there is more than one entry in the list, will use the 
>>> executemany() style with the DBAPI connection.
>>> 
>>> With the ORM the Model.__table__ attribute is a Table object.  That 
>>> tutorial seems to be referencing TableClause which is the base class for 
>>> Table, but all the examples there are using Table objects.
>>> 
>>> 
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