I really need to see:

1. actual models to the degree they illustrate the default loaders set up on 
relationships
2. query in use
3. **complete** stack trace, put it on a github gist if it's too long.  every 
line, the error, top to bottom.  thanks

On Fri, May 12, 2023, at 11:25 AM, Mike Bayer wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 12, 2023, at 1:25 AM, Shane Holcombe wrote:
>> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '_from_objects'
>> (I've shortened this from the entire traceback)
> 
> OK what kind of traceback, is it a recursion overflow kind of traceback ?  
> (e.g. many hundreds of repeated series of lines)?     that would explain the 
> nonsensical error at least (there's no way for None to be in the place that 
> this error reports it)
> 
> 
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