Ok that makes sense and clarifies some stuff for me. I have tried your 
implementation but it doesn't seem like its getting new connections. We are 
using sessionmaker(). So basically this is what we are doing. Can you help 
me understand if we are doing this right and if any changes need to happen 
to make this work? Sorry the tabbing is not right after paste. Thanks for 
your help!


# Create the engine to connect to the database
engine = create_engine(
  f"postgresql+psycopg2://test:password@{pg_host}:5432/{pg_database}",
  # connect_args=ssl_args,
  connect_args={"options": "-c timezone=utc"},
  pool_pre_ping=True,
  encoding="utf8",
)

@event.listens_for(engine, "do_connect")
def receive_do_connect(dialect, conn_rec, cargs, cparams):

# Getting the postgres details
try:
# Get the configs
configs = Properties()

# Open the file to get the values needed
with open("/var/secrets/pgsql/vault-credentials.properties", "rb") as 
config_file:
configs.load(config_file)

# Get each of the properties, hopefully
pg_user = configs.get("username").data
pg_password = configs.get("password").data

except FileNotFoundError:

# Use whats in the environment
pg_user = os.getenv("pg_user")
pg_password = os.getenv("pg_password")

print("Connecting to db with username: ", pg_user)
print("Connecting to db with password: ", pg_password)

cparams["user"] = pg_user
cparams["password"] = pg_password

session_factory = sessionmaker(bind=engine)
sqla_session = session_factory()

# Then using the sqla_session to execute queries and make modifications to 
the database
On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 4:26:05 PM UTC-6 Mike Bayer wrote:

> no, create_engine() does not connect at all.     connections occur when 
> you first call `engine.connect()`.   From that point, the behavior of 
> subsequent `engine.connect()` calls depends on connection pool 
> configuration.   all connection pools have points at which they continue to 
> establish new connections as the application proceeds, it's just a question 
> of how often and under what circumstances.    The default QueuePool will 
> make new connections when it goes into "overflow", as well as when existing 
> connections are invalidated due to connectivity problems or if the 
> pool_recycle timeout is reached.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023, at 2:34 PM, Steven Schierholz wrote:
>
> That makes sense but doesn't connect only happen once when create_engine() 
> is called?
>
> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 12:00:35 PM UTC-6 Mike Bayer wrote:
>
>
> the documentation for this pattern is at 
> https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/20/core/engines.html#generating-dynamic-authentication-tokens
>  
> , and a completely specific example is at 
> https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/20/dialects/mssql.html#mssql-pyodbc-access-tokens
>  
> .   Basically your application needs to have some way to retrieve the 
> correct credentials as it runs, and you hook that into the event to 
> populate the connect arguments with the correct credentials.
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Steven Schierholz wrote:
>
> So I have seen some chats here about cred refresh from vault and some 
> suggestions have been to use @event.listens_for(engine, "do_connect") to 
> update creds when the connection is established. My understanding of this 
> is that connecting to the database should only happen once when my flask 
> application starts up, but I need to update the creds without restarting my 
> application so I'm not sure that the event listener will work in my case.
>
> Am I understanding that correctly? If so, is there a way to get the right 
> creds to pass to the engine for sqlalchemy every 24 hours when the creds 
> from vault get updated without restarting my application?
>
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