before you insert a recorrd, there are no values there, indeed :) .
but if you were thinking on an update event, you may perform a select
to get the current values of the record.
a trigger is closer to the database, though ...

alex

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:12 PM, gjhames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In the after_insert or before_insert events I only catch the new
> attributes of the object. I wish to get the old values.
> Thanks.
>
> >
>

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