On 2 Jun 2017, at 08:59, Dave Cridland <d...@cridland.net> wrote: > > On 1 June 2017 at 12:51, Georg Lukas <ge...@op-co.de> wrote: >>> Requiring servers to implement particular delivery rules: >>> https://github.com/xsf/xeps/commit/9c388a51c61541507c599832038b6562f3d01841 >>> >>> I don’t think this is right, I think we want to allow servers to make >>> their own judgements on what needs carbonsing. This was the consensus >>> compromise we made previously (after considerable effort) to remove >>> the objections to 280 going to Draft. >> >> I have to disagree. The current wording is inadequate for a network >> protocol specification: it does not provide any consistency between >> implementations, leading to subtle differences in observed behavior and >> to user confusion. >> >> Carbons is now over seven years old, so all server implementations >> should have figured out their rules by now, or at least a set of rules >> which we can make mandatory. I can see how creating such a mandatory >> rule set might have been an issue back at the inception of the XEP, but >> right now, we should have the accumulated knowledge to nail it, finally. > > It would be very useful if server developers implementing Carbons > could take a look at these proposed rules and see how well (or badly) > they match reality. > > That would be extremely beneficial, I think, in obtaining a clear idea > of whether these rules are right or not.
I think they might partially match current reality (at least some of them aren’t what we’re doing), but not where we would like reality to be in a short time. So I think leaving the weasel words in is desirable. I also think that it’s not harmful - while tying down a single set of requirements might be possible (with much wailing and gnashing of teeth), I don’t think it’s actually required. /K _______________________________________________ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org _______________________________________________
