Thanks for these. As a reminder to those reading, Council would *really* welcome any volunteers for writing these minutes - it's a great way to get involved.
On 28 February 2018 at 16:58, Georg Lukas <ge...@op-co.de> wrote: > # 2018-02-28 Council Meeting Minutes > > Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-02-28/#16:00:13 > > ## Role Call > > - Dave Cridland (chairing) > - Daniel Gultsch > - Georg Lukas > - Kevin Smith > - Sam Whited > > ## For fork's sake, can somebody else take the minutes? > > Georg this time > > ## Good Idea Extraction > > The "good" bits: > XEP-0013: purge offline messages for MAM clients > XEP-0116: full-stanza encryption > > A long discussion about the usefulness of the 0013-purge for purposes of > MAM, Clausewitz, race conditions, users who have MAM disabled and other > corner cases. No clear consensus on how to move on with 0013. > > General consensus on Good Idea Extraction: "it's an option" > > Further discussion of 0013/MAM should be continued on list. We need a > proper protocol to fix the offline/MAM interop. Sam suggests to add a > warning into 0313, then to deprecate 0013, then to work on a proper > replacement. > > ## Dusty Drafts > > A long list of "Draft" standards was brought to the standards list. The > Council should decide which of those will be deprecated, and which ones > shall move to Final. > > Kev points out that a "Call for Experience" is the proper way to move > from Draft to Final. The Council members promise to have a look at all > listed XEPs so that a vote can take place in the next meeting to decide > whether to CFE or to deprecate each of them. > > Sam points out that there are some obvious candidates, but further > discussion shows that more preparation time would be appropriate. > > ## AOB > > Georg brings up multiple points: > > ### MUC reflection of message IDs > > This was discussed in 2010 and then in 2014, without gaining consensus: > https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2014-July/028996.html > > In the meantime, origin-id was designed as a workaround, but does not > work universally either. Georg proposes to change 0045 wording to > reflect current best practice, even if it would break the Draft XEP. > He promises to prepare a PR that can be voted upon next week. Kev > suggests some wording and asks to add a disco#info feature so that the > breaking change is at least advertised. > > ### Removal of <origin-id/> > > As the <origin-id/> element of 0359 was introduced with the sole purpose > of fixing the above MUC-id-rewriting problem, Georg asks to remove the > <origin-id/> once the above issue is fixed. > > ### ID Uniqueness in RFC 6120 > > Georg raises the inconsistency problems of RFC 6120 @ids being defined > as unique within a stream, but used for end-to-end tracking. No specific > proposal is made, so it's suggested to move the discussion to list. > > ## Time of next > > +1 weeks works for everyone but potentially Georg, who promises to try > hard to join. _______________________________________________ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org _______________________________________________
