On 25.03.19 22:07, Dave Cridland wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 14:03, Florian Schmaus <f...@geekplace.eu
> <mailto:f...@geekplace.eu>> wrote:
>     On 25.03.19 13:52, Dave Cridland wrote:
>     > On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 12:26, Florian Schmaus <f...@geekplace.eu
>     <mailto:f...@geekplace.eu>
>     > <mailto:f...@geekplace.eu <mailto:f...@geekplace.eu>>> wrote:
>     >     I lean towards 2. Which could mean that
>     >
>     >     <message from='f...@bar.com <mailto:f...@bar.com>
>     <mailto:f...@bar.com <mailto:f...@bar.com>>'
>     >     to='u...@example.com <mailto:u...@example.com>
>     <mailto:u...@example.com <mailto:u...@example.com>>'>
>     >       <stanza-id by='example.com <http://example.com>
>     <http://example.com>' …/>
>     >     </message>
>     >
>     >     does not indicate archival of the message into
>     u...@example.com <mailto:u...@example.com>
>     >     <mailto:u...@example.com <mailto:u...@example.com>>'s MAM
>     >     archive, while
>     >
>     >     <message from='f...@bar.com <mailto:f...@bar.com>
>     <mailto:f...@bar.com <mailto:f...@bar.com>>'
>     >     to='u...@example.com <mailto:u...@example.com>
>     <mailto:u...@example.com <mailto:u...@example.com>>'>
>     >       <stanza-id by='u...@example.com <mailto:u...@example.com>
>     <mailto:u...@example.com <mailto:u...@example.com>>' …/>
>     >     </message>
>     >
>     >     does.
>     >
>     >
>     > Ah, so the first suggests the message is archived by the server-level
>     > archive?
> 
>     I'd say it depends whether "example.com <http://example.com>"
>     announces the MAM disco#info
>     feature. And I also believe that this does not automatically imply for
>     the receiving entity that it has access to that message in the archive
>     (if there is one).
> 
> 
> Ah, so the semantics of XEP-0359 vary depending on an unrelated
> specification not referenced by the document in ways that are not
> specified in either document?

I wouldn't say that the semantics of XEP-0359 vary. The <stanza-id/>
element tells you that an entity, identified by the JID in the 'by'
value, assigned a particular ID to this stanza. If and how you could
potentially lookup the stanza depends on various factors, including that
you and the entity need to speak a common protocol. As you possibly know
we usually use disco#info to determine the available features and
supported protocols of an entity, hence a lookup only appears obvious to
me. I am happy to clarify that in case the idea isn't as obvious as I
thought it to be.

- Florian

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