On 2019/12/30, Dave Cridland wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 17:16, Philipp Hörist <phil...@hoerist.com> wrote: > > Am Mo., 30. Dez. 2019 um 17:57 Uhr schrieb Dave Cridland < > > d...@cridland.net>: > > > >> That specification isn't linked from XEP-0384 at all, so how are we > >> supposed to be able to tell it affects OMEMO? > >> > > > > You can't, and the XEP does not mandate any specific implementation or > > protocol version of the non-standard SignalProtocol. The XEP says > > > > > The signal protocol currently only exists in GPLv3-licensed > > implementations maintained by OpenWhisperSystems. > > > > So it means, you use the libraries OpenWhisperSystems currently offers and > > if you want to know what they do you read the docs on their page. > > > > I know this is not a beautiful thing in Standards world, but that's what > > it is at the moment. > > > > > The Council has consistently rejected such specifications as a result. I'll > raise this at the next Council meeting, and move to Reject it - it should > be Deferred at this point anyway.
I'm curious if you have any viable alternative to propose while you reject the only widely used encryption mechanism? If not, I think doing this is only going to harm the community. "You don't have any standard viable E2EE mechanism", "The only E2EE mechanism that's used is not even standard, how do I do interop?" (Note that this is similar to how aesgcm is currently done, or oob+link, or..) As much as I am concerned with these being adopted by implementations in the first place because. They're here because there was a need that wasn't filled. It feels to me our current process doesn't reflect the reality of things. If you need a standard for your company use-case, OX is a thing. Otherwise maybe in 5-10 years we'll have MLS? -- Maxime “pep” Buquet
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