Peter. Good day.

Thank you for these fair arguments.

Yes. Indeed so.

I will explore this concern, then.

Schimon

On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 14:27:06 -0600
Peter Saint-Andre <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Schimon,
> 
> There are many people on this list, with their own interests. I would 
> not discourage them from contributing in their own ways: even if you 
> don't think this is an interesting problem, they might.
> 
> At to Atom Over XMPP, that was a somewhat experimental idea at the
> time and IIRC we didn't really push it forward. So I would not judge
> an entire organization (IETF) and the people involved in it today
> because of something that happened in 2008. Also, the IETF *did*
> publish all the core XMPP RFCs, and that has to count for something,
> no?
> 
> Peter
> 
> On 10/7/25 2:06 PM, Schimon Jehudah wrote:
> > While I do appreciate some of the publication of IETF, I do not
> > think that it deserves any attention, especially not our attention,
> > of the people of XMPP, for the IETF has rejected Atomsub (Atom Over
> > XMPP).
> > 
> > I do sense, that we should further incorporate more PPN
> > (Peer-to-peer Network) means into XMPP, and let thise "HTTP people"
> > to "play" with their own "soup", for a lack of a better phrase.
> > 
> > Lest forget that in the past those organizations have formed the
> > "Peer-to-peer Working Group" (peer-to-peerwg.org) in order to
> > gradually suppress P2P, not to promote it.
> > 
> > Schimon
> > 
> > On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 13:42:31 -0600
> > Peter Saint-Andre <[email protected]> wrote:
> >   
> >> No, the subject line of this message is not a joke. :-)
> >>
> >> The IETF has formed a "TIPTOP" working group to study and adapt
> >> Internet protocols for communication over interplanetary distances.
> >> [1] If anyone here is interested in this topic, I encourage you
> >> read their documents [2] and sign up for their email discussion
> >> list [3].
> >>
> >> Thanks for your attention!
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/tiptop/about/
> >> [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/tiptop/documents/
> >> [3] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/deepspace/
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