They are going for simple to use. That favors per-location uses. I haven't seen
them doing anything to discourage local ISP type networks, and some of the
things I've seen them do (in terms of starlink to remote Indian villages) seems
like they are probably doing a single Starlink + local wifi.
Their 'business' version seems ideal for this local ISP approach.
But that takes someone on the ground willing to take the work on to
build/maintain such a network. Not hard for someone who knows what they are
doing and has an in with the local regulators, but for SpaceX to push it would
be a distraction to their staff and bring on even more accusations of their
service being unsuitable (remember, this started off from the claim that a
dedicated dish per house wasn't acceptably fast)
David Lang
On Wed, 31 Aug 2022, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink wrote:
There's another aspect here that is often overlooked when looking purely at
the data rate that you can get from your fibre/cable/wifi/satellite, and this
is where the data comes from.
A large percentage of Internet content these days comes from content delivery
networks (CDNs). These innately work on the assumption that it's the core of
the Internet that presents a bottleneck, and that the aggregate bandwidth of
all last mile connections is high in comparison. A second assumption is that
a large share of the content that gets requested gets requested many times,
and many times by users in the same corner(s) of the Internet. The conclusion
is that therefore content is best served from a location close to the end
user, so as to keep RTTs low and - importantly - keep the load of long
distance bottleneck links.
Now it's fairly clear that large numbers of fibres to end users make for the
best kind of network between CDN and end user. Local WiFi hotspots with
limited range allow frequency re-use, as do ground based cellular networks,
so they're OK, too, in that respect. But anything that needs to project RF
energy over a longer distance to get directly to the end user hasn't got
nature on its side.
This is, IMHO, Starlink's biggest design flaw at the moment: Going direct to
end user site rather providing a bridge to a local ISP may be circumventing
the lack of last mile infrastructure in the US, but it also makes incredibly
inefficient use of spectrum and satellite resource. If every viral cat video
that a thousand Starlink users in Iowa are just dying to see literally has to
go to space a thousand times and back again rather than once, you arguably
have a problem.
And yes, small neighbourhood networks of the type Mike described could put a
significant dent into that problem. But do Starlink actually see Mike
supplying 100 people as helpful, or do they see it as 99 customers they can
no longer sell a dishy to? Given how they push their services into the
market, I suspect it might be the latter.
On 31/08/2022 10:07 am, Brandon Butterworth via Starlink wrote:
On Tue Aug 30, 2022 at 02:01:49PM -0700, David Lang via Starlink wrote:
> You are absolutly correct that people who can get fiber (and probably
even
> most DSL) are far better using that than Starlink, and
> last-few-hundred-meters wireless can be better (like DSL, it depends on
the
> exact service available)
...
> People who can get that sort of service are not the target users for
> Starlink.
But unless Starlink turn them away some will still take the
service despite better options.
I do UK FWA and FTTP in rural areas and know others in the
industry. Some have reported being turned down as the
odd customer is waiting for Starlink (instead of taking a
government GBP4k+ subsidy giving them free fibre/FWA install)
There's no telling some people.
brandon
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