Hi Dave, On 16 October 2022 18:31:07 CEST, Dave Taht <[email protected]> wrote: >On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 1:45 AM Bruce Perens via Starlink ><[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM Sebastian Moeller via Starlink >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I wonder whether some form of communication would not be better handled by >>> a dedicated PR department: > >I have rather hated the return of over-processed communications in >the last decade, and the lack of a place to yell back at the screen. I >liked blogs and websites and media that had comments, and better, had >authors that read the comments.
Yes, I generally agree. However in this case, I disagree somewhat. Twitter IMHO is a terrible tool for anything of relevance and outside small circles of friends or like minded individuals. As a tool for communicating policy or complex content I am less convinced that twitter adds much (sorry if this sounds old man shouting at the clouds). But in the starlink/ukraine topic it might be fascinating seeing decision making changing in 'real-time', but neither Starlink nor Musk come out looking all that good. Which is somewhat puzzling, as they earned a lot of goodwill by their initial (and apparently their continuing) actions, so why go screw this up? In this instance I believe some PR experts to discuss any intended tweet to make sure it truly reflects the intended policy seems an improvement to me. > >I like a wacking good, long form, debate... which is why I miss >netnews and email so much. +1; that is a different beast than twitter though which is essentially for unvetted hot-takes, no? > >If you think stuff run by PR departments is better, please read Ed >Bernay's work, which has fallen out of copyright. Given that so far I liked all your recommendations I should check this out. However I do not think PR publications are generally a good thing, just in this instance it might have been a useful tool to avoid unnecessary u-turns. > >> >> >> Unfortunately the biggest PR problem SpaceX/Starlink has is not one that can >> be mediated by a PR department. Elon says stupid things. > >>"There is the far-right conspiracy theorism," > >I don't see "far-right" conspiracy theorism except from commenters. >Got a concrete example? > >I am hopefully well known as a pretty rigorously "fair" person.[1] It >comes from this: > >http://ronsravings.blogspot.com/2012/10/memorial-service-eulogy.html > >and to a huge extent my outlook on life and the American way, is >actually reflected by the fq_codel and cake algorithms - > >" fq codel (now IETF standard RFC8290) is a uniquely “American” >algorithm. It's *fair*. It gives the “little guy” - the little packet, >the first packets in a new connection to anywhere, a little boost >until the flow achieves parity with other flows from other sources, >with minimal buffering. This means that all network traffic gets >treated equally - faster. Isn’t that what you want in a network >neutral framework? DNS, gaming traffic, voip, videoconferencing, and >the first packets of any new flow, to anywhere, get a small boost. >That’s it. Big flows - from anybody - from netflix to google to >comcast - all achieve parity, with minimal delay and buffering, at a >wide variety of real round trip times." - >https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/net_neutrality_customers/ >... > >Elon has definitely shifted right in the past years moving from >california to texas, and even if it's an uncalculated move (doubt it) >- in order to sell "green technology" into the other half of the >country, he needs to talk to things that those folk care about. > >If that means offending the green yuppie tesla base into buying more >rivians, and convinces the red set in the center of the country to >switch to electric trucks from ford... It's still a win, from his >long-stated perspectives of converting the economy over to greener >energies. > >"his belief that population collapse will end society if we don't >start having more babies, " > >He's stopped far short of "banning abortion", for example, and the >effects of population collapse can be demonstrated in >aging populations in Japan, especially, who have also made a big >investment into robotization. > >It does bug me that in repeated posts he doesn't show how, in America >at least, immigration has countered the not-enough-for-replacement >birth rate. I'm a big fan of immigration, always will be - (but I'd >emigrate if only I could find a country willing to take me in!) > >"and his recent statement on how he believes the war in Ukraine should >be ended. " > >Someone(s) need to propose answers on how wars can end. I already >posted my interpretation of the Nicaraguan >peace, as to what happened when both sides couldn't send in bullets anymore. > >"A lot of this seems totally nuts to me and is not going to endear him >to people. The impacts upon SpaceX and Tesla have been palpable." > >It is impossible to be endearing to all people. > >"The hell with it … even though Starlink is still losing money & other >companies are getting billions of taxpayer $, we’ll just keep funding >Ukraine govt for free." > >https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581345747777179651 > >> >> I spent some time with Steve Jobs in 12 years at Pixar. There were horror >> stories about him, but he'd matured. He wasn't perfect, but a lot better. >> The problem is that he was probably as old then as Elon is now. > >Did he thrust iphones into a war? witness the complete collapse of all >other infrastructure technologies? Run the risk of nuclear war, with a >communication tech that was hoped to bring the benefit of the internet >to all? > >A really good question might be - what would steve jobs' have done, in >this situation? Think different? > >Gandhi? > >Pol Pot? > >Winston Churchill? > > >> >> Thanks > >[1] for the record, I have published very little about my politics, >and hope to not have to care more than I do. This >piece is the closest I came to skewering every perspective there is: >http://the-edge.blogspot.com/2003_06_15_the-edge_archive.html#105582160924824821 > >and if someone could tell ME what my politics are after reading that, >I'd probably find something to quibble with. > > >> Bruce >> _______________________________________________ >> Starlink mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > > > -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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