My 10 cents worth: If you divide the total annual Internet usage
worldwide (a ballpark figure at best) by the total number of users
worldwide (another ballpark figure) and then by 365*24*60*60, you get a
rate of (ballpark) 1 Mb/s. b as in bits not bytes, M as in Mega not m as
in milli (someone needs to tell Starlink that or are they promising
people a lot less than we think:
https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=US?).
That means each Internet user generates, on average, 1 Mb/s of traffic
on a 24/7 basis. Of course, we'd expect them to generate at little less
off-peak and a little more during peak hours. But it's a handy rate to
compare other numbers to.
So if you then consider the 15 Gb/s that Nathan quoted earlier on,
that's really only about 15k users, if averaged. If it's a peak figure
(likely if Elon shouts about it) then that's likely a lot less than 15k
users. Now just a gentle reminder that Elon's still having trouble
provisioning to all of Montana, and there's just over a million folk
there. Ukraine has over 35 million - even if you take all the refugees
that haven't returned out - and it's not orders of magnitude larger than
Montana either.
So it's plain obvious that Starlink is not carrying most of the Internet
traffic from/to Ukraine. Far from it. I don't think Elon has claimed
this anywhere, either, but the fact that this claim is making it on this
list just goes to show how effective he is at getting people's attention
(and leaving such false impressions uncorrected). That said, it's
probably carrying a fair amount of Ukraine's frontline unit traffic now.
In fact, Starlink's probably exclusively mil/gov use in Ukraine right now.
Fibre seems to be what is propping up the rest - and quite effectively
so. But not as glamorous. Who'd want to know about low power fibre laser
diodes when you can have space lasers next year?
On 17/10/2022 8:03 am, Brandon Butterworth via Starlink wrote:
On Sun Oct 16, 2022 at 08:44:12PM +0200, Sebastian Moeller via
Starlink wrote:
> > and it's worth remembering that it's not just being used for
military C&C, it's being used for (almost) all Internet access through
the country, normal telcom, Hospitals, community access, etc.
>
> Do we know this for sure? As far as I know (so not very much, one of my
> colleagues in the early 2000s was Ukranian and told me about their figer
> optics telephony system) Ukraine might have some fiber infrastructure
> that should make at least the west not fully reliant on Starlkink.
They have loads of fibre like most countries, there were many reports of
them repairing it after was damage, a few sumarried -
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjbapv/diy-volunteers-are-repairing-ukraines-destroyed-internet-infrastructure
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjbapv/diy-volunteers-are-repairing-ukraines-destroyed-internet-infrastructure>
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/03/22/while-russians-bombs-fall-around-them-ukraines-engineers-battle-to-keep-the-internet-running/
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/03/22/while-russians-bombs-fall-around-them-ukraines-engineers-battle-to-keep-the-internet-running>
loads more on twitter.
For c&c and the front line they can't depend on that especially as
they regain areas where Russia has has time to infiltrate/redeploy
the existing infrastructure, and which may now be the target of
their own attack. One of Russias weaknesses was depending on the
local infra for their own operations.
brandon
_______________________________________________
Starlink mailing list
[email protected]
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
<https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink>
--
****************************************************************
Dr. Ulrich Speidel
School of Computer Science
Room 303S.594 (City Campus)
The University of Auckland
[email protected]
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~ulrich/
****************************************************************
_______________________________________________
Starlink mailing list
[email protected]
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink
