I have been running Slink for 4 months now, and when I attempted to update the /fstab directory to allow reading both ext2 and vfat disks on fd0. I did not get it to recognize the floppy drive. When I rebooted the boot message box stated the HD was read only and sugested a mount command to enter. I did that and depressed cntl-D to re-boot but NOGO. It still does not boot up. Exactly what was in /fstab? I think the directory was hosed and damaged this version in its ability to boot up. I can't apt-get upgrade as the machine I mounted Slink on is not connected to the Net. It's a standalone I've been using for learning Linux, Perl and bash scripting. A Gateway P5-166 with a cold swappable HD with only Linux on that HD. TIA Tom -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Stormlinux-users-list digest, Vol 1 #293 - 13 msgs Send Stormlinux-users-list mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.stormix.com/community/lists/listinfo/stormlinux-users-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Stormlinux-users-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: The Mailing List (Carl B. Constantine) 2. Re: The Mailing List (Sean Fulmer) 3. Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List (Yurisk_2000) 4. Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List (Yurisk_2000) 5. Re: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List (TODD WITTER) 6. Re: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List (TODD WITTER) 7. Re: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List (TODD WITTER) 8. Virtual console is blank :( (Sean Fulmer) 9. Re: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List (Carl B. Constantine) 10. Re: Virtual console is blank :( (TODD WITTER) 11. Re: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List (Chris Thompson) 12. Re[4]: [SLU] The Mailing List (Yurisk_2000) 13. Re[4]: [SLU] The Mailing List (Yurisk_2000) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:16:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLU] The Mailing List From: "Carl B. Constantine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: SLU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/7/2000 12:42, TODD WITTER at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > But that's exactly how you need to do it! > I think Brian gave a nice overview of how to get a cd-r(w) to work -- > that's how you do it for just about any linux distro. > And that Linux Magazine article is really good on giving you step > by step instructions on how to get it going. > Since cd-r(w)'s aren't actually supported by the kernel (at the time) > and most linux OSes don't have direct support to that either, what > else could he say? > Todd No kidding. I don't count that as a bad experience. I'd say it was great an= d professional. He couldn't help you directly (the issue is not specific to Stormix but general Linux question) but pointed you to various bits of information that explain exactly what you need to do. If that's not service= , I don't know what is. On a semi-related note: linuxdoc.org is THE place to get information on "Ho= w do I..." kind of questions. If you've read the docs and still pull a blank, ask the list. Many of us here (myself included) know how to burn CD-R(W)'s under Linux and I do it all the time. I have a script that loads the module= s I need in the correct order and then I use cdrecord to burn a CD. Just my 2=A2 worth. --=20 ________________________________________________________________________ __ _ Carl B. Constantine / / (_)__ __ ____ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / (2.2.14) ICQ: 26351441 /____/_/_//_/\_ _/ /_/\_\ Stormix 2000 PGP key available on request "On the net, no one knows you're a Duck!" ________________________________________________________________________ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Fulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [SLU] The Mailing List To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree with you, Todd! It seems to me Brian's response was considerate and informative, and it certainly gave enough info for the user to find the answer. It's been my experience over the past couple of years that 'cookbook' solutions to common Linux problems are few and far between, and that the user and support communities are definitely inclined to answer in the form of "Here's how to LEARN to do it" instead of "Here's how to do it". That's fine for me - tinkering is 95% of the fun! I think more 'step-by-step' help come around once there are more non-technical users on Linux. And probably by that time, Storm and the other distros will have config tools built for things like this. But until then, it's wise to count on having a few extra steps involved in getting a solution. And hey, if a user can't wait until then... there's always windoze ;) --- TODD WITTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But that's exactly how you need to do it! > I think Brian gave a nice overview of how to get a cd-r(w) to work -- > > that's how you do it for just about any linux distro. > And that Linux Magazine article is really good on giving you step > by step instructions on how to get it going. > Since cd-r(w)'s aren't actually supported by the kernel (at the time) > > and most linux OSes don't have direct support to that either, what > else could he say? > Todd > > On 7 Dec 00, at 18:23, Yurisk_2000 wrote: > > > Hello Scott, > > > > Thursday, December 07, 2000, 17:00:13, you wrote: > > > > SF> My hat is off to everyone on the list. Having been on a number > of Linux/OSS > > SF> lists over the years, I can honestly say this mailing list is > one of the best > > SF> I have ever come across. > > > > this list is great. > > > > Caldera list is awesome, very nice attitude and general tone. > > > > as for the companies that read lists, i am not overly optimistic, i > > had bad experience with stormix and not going to beleive they go > for > > anybody but themselves. > > > > i had a bad experience as a paying customer, apparently linux kids > who > > try to charge the same amount for support calls as MSFT does will > run > > out of cash sooner than they get those calls. different market. > > > > see below > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Yuri K wrote: > > > > > Hello support, > > > > > > Is the ATAPI CD-R during system installation (like in Mandrake) > or I > > > have to configure it after ? > > > Could you help me? I am a registered user. > > > Do you have any pointers on your web site , so I would not bug > you? > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Yuri > > > > Hi Yuri, > > > > You will have to configure your CD-R post-installation. > Configuring a > > CD-R is beyond the scope of Installation support, however I can > give you > > a brief outline of what is required and I can give you a link to a > very > > detailed CD-R(W) HowTo at www.linuxdoc.org ( > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO ). > > > > For IDE/ATAPI CD-R(W)'s you will need to build (compile) a special > > kernel. As the HowTo will discuss, this kernel will need certain > > components compiled in to the kernel, as modules, or not included > at > > all. Essentially, your CD-R(W) will no longer be seen as an > IDE/ATAPI > > device, but rather as an SCSI device. The kernel that you will > need to > > compile will include SCSI emulation (a requirement for IDE/ATAPI > > burners). As such, your device will no longer be referred to as > /dev/hdx > > (an IDE naming convention), it will be referred to as /dev/scdx (or > > something similar...an SCSI naming convention). > > > > Another good source of information is the September/October edition > of > > Maximum Linux Magazine. It's article: Learn to Burn is very > helpful and > > concise. > > > > > > > > -- > > Brian Matsuo, Technical Support > > Stormix Technologies Inc. > > 555 West Hastings Street, Suite 2040 > > Vancouver, BC Canada V6B 4N6 > > Phone: (604)688-9137 > > Fax: (604)688-7317 > > http://www.stormix.com/ > > > > ------------------DISCLAIMER--------------------- > > > > Opinions expressed in this e-mail are not necessarily those of my > employer. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Stormlinux-users-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.stormix.com/community/lists/listinfo/stormlinux-users-list > > > Todd Witter > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _______________________________________________ > Stormlinux-users-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.stormix.com/community/lists/listinfo/stormlinux-users-list ===== -- Sean Fulmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:19:56 +0000 From: Yurisk_2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Risk Takers Anonymous To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello TODD, Thursday, December 07, 2000, 20:42:18, you wrote: TW> But that's exactly how you need to do it! TW> I think Brian gave a nice overview of how to get a cd-r(w) to work -- TW> that's how you do it for just about any linux distro. TW> And that Linux Magazine article is really good on giving you step TW> by step instructions on how to get it going. TW> Since cd-r(w)'s aren't actually supported by the kernel (at the time) TW> and most linux OSes don't have direct support to that either, what TW> else could he say? TW> Todd I knew that. I have done that. what does "beyond the scope of installation support" mean? what's the difference between somebody paying $70 and somebody getting a free downloaded version that's no worse? the only difference is that the download is free of SuSE style shovelware. IMO, for the price they may have to offer a bit more, it's just WNWM question. Mandrake has been supporting ATAPI CD-RW out of the box for three releases now. The CD-R issue was just an illustration, I haven't mentioned other ones, like a Promise Ultra66, for one. Yet another one that works with Mandrake out of the box since two releases back. I can do all the tinkering with free Debian, if I want. I am not here to bash them, I want them to succeed. In order to do that they need to listen to the market they try to crack. Again, Storm Linux is good, but it *must* become better, if they want to skim support costs, or the company has to offer better support. i realize that it's not easy for them to survive, that's why I paid for the shiny disks in the first place :) best to all _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:58:08 +0000 From: Yurisk_2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Risk Takers Anonymous To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All, Linux Storm is a good product. I was talking about the company as a financial entity that certainly wants to be successful. How many of the respondents (good guys) did actually pay for the Storm? Best, Yuri _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "TODD WITTER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Yurisk_2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:58:10 CST Subject: Re: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But Stormix, along with many other distros, don't have out-of-the- box support of cd-r(w)s. Mandrake does. Nobody pretends that they do then lets you down when they don't. Mandrake is well-known for improved hardware support of out of the box, unlike other distros. So, my though is you can investigate what is supported by certain distros on your own (again, Stormix doesn't say they do then follow up with a "they don't") or youcan get angry at them for your own lack of investigation. Maybe I'm wrong here but, when I buy something, I make sure it's going to deliver what I'm hoping it will deliver. If I know I have a cd- r(w) and I'm going to need help with it via paid support, I better make sure that's covered. On 7 Dec 00, at 21:19, Yurisk_2000 wrote: > Hello TODD, > > Thursday, December 07, 2000, 20:42:18, you wrote: > > TW> But that's exactly how you need to do it! > TW> I think Brian gave a nice overview of how to get a cd-r(w) to work -- > TW> that's how you do it for just about any linux distro. > TW> And that Linux Magazine article is really good on giving you step > TW> by step instructions on how to get it going. > TW> Since cd-r(w)'s aren't actually supported by the kernel (at the time) > TW> and most linux OSes don't have direct support to that either, what > TW> else could he say? > TW> Todd > > I knew that. I have done that. > > what does "beyond the scope of installation support" mean? > what's the difference between somebody paying $70 and somebody getting > a free downloaded version that's no worse? the only difference is that > the download is free of SuSE style shovelware. > > IMO, for the price they may have to offer a bit more, it's just > WNWM question. Mandrake has been supporting ATAPI CD-RW out of the > box for three releases now. > > The CD-R issue was just an illustration, I haven't mentioned other > ones, like a Promise Ultra66, for one. Yet another one that works with > Mandrake out of the box since two releases back. I can do all the > tinkering with free Debian, if I want. > > I am not here to bash them, I want them to succeed. In order to do > that they need to listen to the market they try to crack. > Again, Storm Linux is good, but it *must* become better, if they want > to skim support costs, or the company has to offer better support. > i realize that it's not easy for them to survive, that's why I paid > for the shiny disks in the first place :) > > best to all > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Stormlinux-users-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.stormix.com/community/lists/listinfo/stormlinux-users-list Todd Witter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "TODD WITTER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Yurisk_2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:09:12 CST Subject: Re: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did not buy it. That is why this mail list is so wonderful. It's more like a support group than it is paid-for-support. Actually, I'm waiting until a distro comes complete with a stable 2.4 kernel and other support (won't show long list) before I buy. This is where my investigating a distro comes in. I know Mandrake will support things like cd-r(w)s -- again, they have great out-of-the-box hardware support -- but if your cd-r(w) did not work in Mandrake for some reason, likely they would've pointed you to -- or read to you over the phone -- the same stuff that Brian pointed out to you. He gave you good information. He said it doesn't fall under what their installation support covers because the distro itself, on its own, does not "support" cd-r(w)s without kernel "adjustments". That's not being in it for themselves, that's giving you information on how to do something that is not part of the paid-for support. Aside from Mandrake (perhaps there's another, too), this isn't uncommon. I don't know... perhaps another example of a "for-themselves" reply from Stormix will make me understand your point better. In any case, this mail list has been nothing short of miraculous when it comes to getting good info in a timely manner... stuff that even I, a non-geek-programmer-type person, can understand. Thanks guys! Todd On 7 Dec 00, at 21:58, Yurisk_2000 wrote: > All, > > Linux Storm is a good product. I was talking about the company as a > financial entity that certainly wants to be successful. > > How many of the respondents (good guys) did actually pay for the > Storm? > > Best, Yuri > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Stormlinux-users-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.stormix.com/community/lists/listinfo/stormlinux-users-list Todd Witter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "TODD WITTER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Yurisk_2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:15:17 CST Subject: Re: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Again, Storm Linux is good, but it *must* become better, if they want > to skim support costs, or the company has to offer better support. > i realize that it's not easy for them to survive, that's why I paid > for the shiny disks in the first place :) > > best to all I agree, I want them to succeed as well. But buying their product isn't the only way to help them succeed. I download it for free because I know it has room to grow and when I'm comfortable with their maturity as a distro, I will likely purchase it. In the meantime, they will get better with the input from those who have used it for free... informing them of bugs, perhaps ideas on how to improve certain applications, etc... They will also succeed by doing just what they are doing. Joining in the discussion. More often than not, it's Brian or Ryan that responds to my questions with a good answer or suggestion. That is what I like. That is where their strength is. Perhaps they will get better at the hardware thing (your hard drive controller is yet another example of where Mandrake accels and others need work) like most distros need to. But for a commercial debian-based distro, this IMHO is the best one there is. And it's only going to get better. Todd Witter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:15:25 -0600 From: Sean Fulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: stormlinux-users-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [SLU] Virtual console is blank :( Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi gang - I'm running hail on a Dell Inspiron 7500 notebook. I initially set the box up using instructions I found at http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~steveh/inspiron/xserver.html. I used this guys pre-compiled 2.2.14 kernel with framebuffer support, and it was pretty sweet for a while... after a couple of weeks, I decided to get brave and compile a 2.2.16 kernel with framebuffer support and all of the stuff that this notebook needs. It worked great for a while, but today I just noticed that my virtual consoles are blank! I know that they worked fine after I compiled my 2.2.16 kernel - this problem must have surfaced in the last week or so.. I've done a couple of dist-upgrades in that time. Has anything come out that could have broken my console display? Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot? The crazy part is that X is working fine - it's just the console that is blank! The console does appear during boot time. After X loads, if I CRTL-ALT-F1 to the console the screen is blank. It's insane - X is supposed to be the problem child, not the text mode console!!! ARGH!!!! TIA :) --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:24:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List From: "Carl B. Constantine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: SLU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/7/2000 13:19, Yurisk_2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > IMO, for the price they may have to offer a bit more, it's just > WNWM question. Mandrake has been supporting ATAPI CD-RW out of the > box for three releases now. > > The CD-R issue was just an illustration, I haven't mentioned other > ones, like a Promise Ultra66, for one. Yet another one that works with > Mandrake out of the box since two releases back. I can do all the > tinkering with free Debian, if I want. The only distro that supports CD-R(W) out of the box is Mandrake. The only distro that supports Ultra66 out of the box is Mandrake (actually, maybe SuSE does now too). Mandrake prides itself on being bleeding edge. If you want to live on the edge of the razor, Mandrake is the distro for you. Not all distros share in Mandrake's philosophy. Other's actually like to QA features before implementing them "out-of-the-box". Comparing Storm to Mandrake is like comparing Apples to Oranges. Sorry, but that's just how I feel about it. -- ________________________________________________________________________ __ _ Carl B. Constantine / / (_)__ __ ____ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / (2.2.14) ICQ: 26351441 /____/_/_//_/\_ _/ /_/\_\ Stormix 2000 PGP key available on request "On the net, no one knows you're a Duck!" ________________________________________________________________________ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "TODD WITTER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sean Fulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:33:19 CST Subject: Re: [SLU] Virtual console is blank :( Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was gonna ask if this happened right after your kernel upgrade but then you answered it! :) I had the same problem when I upgraded to 2.4.0-test11... then I realized I forgot to compile the virtual terminals in my kernel. I couldn't hurt to take a look in there and make sure it is still compiled in there. Maybe someone else has a more substantial answer. :) Todd On 7 Dec 00, at 17:15, Sean Fulmer wrote: > Hi gang - I'm running hail on a Dell Inspiron 7500 notebook. I initially > set the box up using instructions I found at > http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~steveh/inspiron/xserver.html. I used this guys > pre-compiled 2.2.14 kernel with framebuffer support, and it was pretty > sweet for a while... after a couple of weeks, I decided to get brave and > compile a 2.2.16 kernel with framebuffer support and all of the stuff that > this notebook needs. It worked great for a while, but today I just noticed > that my virtual consoles are blank! > > I know that they worked fine after I compiled my 2.2.16 kernel - this > problem must have surfaced in the last week or so.. I've done a couple of > dist-upgrades in that time. Has anything come out that could have broken my > console display? Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot? > > The crazy part is that X is working fine - it's just the console that is > blank! The console does appear during boot time. After X loads, if I > CRTL-ALT-F1 to the console the screen is blank. It's insane - X is supposed > to be the problem child, not the text mode console!!! ARGH!!!! > > TIA :) > > _______________________________________________ > Stormlinux-users-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.stormix.com/community/lists/listinfo/stormlinux-users-list Todd Witter [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:36:35 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Chris Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [SLU] The Mailing List Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:24 PM 12/7/2000 -0800, you wrote: >The only distro that supports CD-R(W) out of the box is Mandrake. The only >distro that supports Ultra66 out of the box is Mandrake (actually, maybe >SuSE does now too). Mandrake prides itself on being bleeding edge. If you >want to live on the edge of the razor, Mandrake is the distro for you. Not >all distros share in Mandrake's philosophy. Other's actually like to QA >features before implementing them "out-of-the-box". Comparing Storm to >Mandrake is like comparing Apples to Oranges. Debian supports UDMA/66 (are we talking about that or a specific card here?) out of the box provided that you use the right boot disk. IIRC, Storm does this, too. If we aren't talking about UDMA/66, please just ignore this message. For what it is worth, I installed Mandrake a while back and really liked the dist. It is a little more bleeding-edge than I'd like but Storm is not bleeding-edge enough. I really wanted UDMA/66, Xfree 4.0.1, and KDE 2 support right out of the box. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:19:58 +0000 From: Yurisk_2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Risk Takers Anonymous To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[4]: [SLU] The Mailing List Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello TODD, Thursday, December 07, 2000, 22:58:10, you wrote: TW> But Stormix, along with many other distros, don't have out-of-the- TW> box support of cd-r(w)s. Mandrake does. Nobody pretends that TW> they do then lets you down when they don't. TW> Mandrake is well-known for improved hardware support of out of the TW> box, unlike other distros. TW> So, my though is you can investigate what is supported by certain TW> distros on your own (again, Stormix doesn't say they do then follow TW> up with a "they don't") or youcan get angry at them for your own TW> lack of investigation. Dear Todd, I was not ranting about the lack of this or that feature, I replied with my opinion to the post that stated that the company "listens". I had my own experience in the "listening" department. I wish any amateur tinkerer to never have one in production environment. I just wanted to remind the poster not to neglect his own interests and this exactly means to investigate first. I did investigate, I knew what I was getting before I paid, I just gave the "support" a try. That's all. Unfortunately, I did not keep the whole thread, Brian's answer was the first coherent reply, the previous ones were having trouble to comprehend the task and would stall at scsi emulation issue. You know, some doctors need more hints than the most. the whole issue was about the company that is dreaming at this point. the support was lame, it took more than one week to get the answer I quoted here. (btw, even that one was sent in HTML) I have to administer more distro variations than you may have tried, and I prefer to burn in *BSD environment anyway. Anyway, I wish them to be around on the next New Year's Eve and me still using them among others. Theirs is a very easy one to administer for certain tasks. best to all _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:26:17 +0000 From: Yurisk_2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Risk Takers Anonymous To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[4]: [SLU] The Mailing List Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello TODD, Thursday, December 07, 2000, 23:15:17, you wrote: TW> In the meantime, they will get better with the input from those who TW> have used it for free... informing them of bugs, perhaps ideas on TW> how to improve certain applications, etc... In the meantime they will have to pay their bills, and I will have to go back to debian as my major loonix vehicle. Anywayzez, the list is good :-) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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