Nikolaos, Let me get back on topic by rephrasing my original question: why the value of the "value" attribute disappears from the generated HTML? Documentation states that, if present, the value attribute provides
"A default value for the form field. Can be a literal value, or an EL
expression."
It also reads:
"The hidden tag assigns the value attribute by scanning in the following
order:... by collapsing the body content to a String, if a body is present".
None of these is happening in my case. The intent of my question was to
find out whether I am doing something wrong or the documentation is
incorrect. It feels that the latter is the case.
And I willingly concede the point that I am ill qualified to get into good
framework design principles debate. [?]
-a
On 29 July 2010 02:13, Nikolaos Giannopoulos <nikol...@brightminds.org>wrote:
> Aaron,
>
> Unfortunately frameworks are ideally all about good design and best
> practices... and yes are dogmatic by their very existence... a little
> ironic isn't it... in fact I wouldn't be surprised if Stripes was
> implemented this way deliberately to force avoiding bad practices... but
> can't be sure without looking at the code.
>
> With that said - as M.C.S. pointed out this is getting off topic BUT
> moreover I provided you already with a trivial solution to your issue...
> which you tested and works... and isn't a kludge or anything despite
> your misgivings. So be happy that it isn't a show stopper or something
> and life goes on... .
>
> Lastly, if you feel so strongly about it then go ahead and file a
> feature enhancement in Stripes and make your "good" design case. If
> this is truly deliberate in Stripes then IMO they got it right but who
> knows maybe others will see your argument and it might resonate with the
> developer community.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Nikolaos
>
>
>
>
> Aaron Stromas wrote:
> > It is not my intent to start a flee war, but I remain convinced it is
> > better to change one file than two. I am sorry, but Nicolaos' argument
> > sounds dogmatic to me. I know apriori that I will be changing the
> > hidden element to text field in the next stage. When that time comes,
> > I will have to change only the JSP file. My action class does not to
> > be touched.
> >
> > -a
> >
> > On Wednesday, Jly 28, 2010, M.C.S. <m...@syn-online.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Nikolaos,
> >>
> >> Am 28.07.2010 21:08, schrieb Nikolaos Giannopoulos:
> >>
> >>
> >> Aaron Strmas wrote:
> >> I think that in this case my initial design is
> >> better, because I have to change the JSP later anyway, and it
> >> would be only change to the JSP only. Now I have to make change
> >> in two places
> >>
> >> But I'm curious why you would have to make changes in 2 places if
> >> the variable value changes? I only see a change in 1 place if a
> >> variable is say called DEFAULT_COUNTRY and its value needs to
> >> change. No?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I interpret Aaron's message this way: He will have to change the JSP
> >> for a reason independent of the "magic number". Now he thinks that
> >> by placing the country code there, he improves the design because he
> >> must change just one file instead of two. Following the "Separation
> >> of concerns" principle, this is not the case if the needed changes
> >> just affect the layout, while the change of the country code affect
> >> the business logic. If this was good design, we all should create
> >> god files :-)
> >>
> >> So in my opinion, it is definitely better to place the "US" string
> >> into the bean instead of hard coding it into the JSP. Maybe another
> >> option is using a resource bundle together with an type-safe enum.
> >> This makes globally changing and reusing it somewhere else a lot of
> >> easier.
> >>
> >> But that is not really related to Stripes, so sorry for being
> >> offtopic ;-)
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Marcus
> >>
> >>
>
>
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