Andres,

I truly think its very important that we answer your questions and / or 
concerns as best we can.

However, I do not clearly understand what you are saying fully;  if it 
helps perhaps you can write your comment in both English (for the 
community) and Spanish (for anyone that speaks it / or understands it 
like myself).

[ No entiendo claramente lo que estás diciendo.  Si queires me puedes 
decir en español tambien que en Inglés. ]

Ciao,

--Nikolaos



andres wrote:
> I'm not the boss to send the test.
>  I programmer and I believe it well the stripes why I proposed to our 
> company. It is normal that my boss asked who uses it. Why you ask if 
> you know some big projects. And I would win Stripes community when 
> incorporated new company with programmers in the world of Stripes.
>
> Greetings.
>
> --- El *dom, 12/9/10, Nikolaos Giannopoulos 
> /<nikol...@brightminds.org>/* escribió:
>
>
>     De: Nikolaos Giannopoulos <nikol...@brightminds.org>
>     Asunto: Re: [Stripes-users] Stripes Development and its Future...
>     Para: "andres" <ispanand...@yahoo.es>
>     CC: "Stripes Users List" <stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>     Fecha: domingo, 12 de septiembre, 2010 18:30
>
>     Andres,
>
>     I imagine it wouldn't be hard to do JMeter performance tests with
>     say a
>     Struts 2, Spring MVC, Stripes, etc... set of frameworks.  As well, I
>     imagine it wouldn't be hard to setup a simple JMeter performance
>     test on
>     a simple Stripes application.
>
>     But if that was the most important consideration then I'm sure a
>     simple
>     Google would result in tons of data.  However, to me personally at
>     least
>     - and I imagine many others - there are far more important
>     considerations were in the selected framework, the architecture
>     and the
>     design are far more critical than whether Stripes is 10% faster or
>     slower than some other framework.
>
>     But if you are so concerned that Stripes might simply choke under
>     heavy
>     load why don't you do a simple JMeter test yourself and publish
>     the results?
>
>     And if you have a 400 employee company then not only might it be
>     prudent
>     to build such a test but I would imagine your company has the people
>     resources to dedicate to doing such a test properly.  What do you
>     think?  Personally - like Soren - I am not worried but that hasn't
>     been
>     validated.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     --Nikolaos
>
>
>
>     andres wrote:
>     >
>     > Thanks for answers.
>     >
>     >  Must excist some big project done with Stripes. Stripes has many
>     > years in market. Would be nice to see him.
>     >  Maybe someone made test with JMeter?
>     >
>     > Regards.
>     >
>     >
>     > --- El *sáb, 11/9/10, Nikolaos Giannopoulos
>     > /<nikol...@brightminds.org
>     </mc/compose?to=nikol...@brightminds.org>>/* escribió:
>     >
>     >
>     >     De: Nikolaos Giannopoulos <nikol...@brightminds.org
>     </mc/compose?to=nikol...@brightminds.org>>
>     >     Asunto: Re: [Stripes-users] Stripes Development and its
>     Future...
>     >     Para: "Stripes Users List"
>     <stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>     </mc/compose?to=stripes-us...@lists.sourceforge.net>>
>     >     Fecha: sábado, 11 de septiembre, 2010 19:03
>     >
>     >     andres wrote:
>     >>     Attention must be paid on Stripes Around The Web, this is
>     without
>     >>     updating a long time and many links are broken and this gives a
>     >>     bad image, because a person who decides to look for new
>     Framework
>     >>     also look who use it?
>     >>
>     >     I agree and those are the things we need to do better as a
>     community.
>     >
>     >>     projects done? And if the largest and most complicated project
>     >>     done is give more reliability.
>     >>
>     >     I believe there is a list of projects on the WIKI but when I
>     >     looked several months ago... I don't recall any sites that I
>     would
>     >     classify as large / complicated.
>     >
>     >>     First we asked our boss who uses it? We need a hold up heavy
>     >>     workloads. We do not know if can create large,wide projects on
>     >>     Stripes. If the traffic can really hold? For this we look at
>     >>     Stripes Around The Web.
>     >>
>     >     Understood.  The great news is that Stripes is not a very heavy
>     >     framework as such I can't see how it can't be used to build
>     large
>     >     scale projects.
>     >
>     >     I don't see why it wouldn't be able to handle high traffic and
>     >     heavy work loads.  With that said I personally believe that a
>     >     large site should be architected foremost to include things like
>     >     horizontal scalability in mind and as such if performance is an
>     >     issue more servers can be added.  Of course this is valid to a
>     >     point - if there are severe performance deficiencies in the
>     >     framework then its another story.
>     >
>     >     Also a large site would benefit from good design that includes
>     >     things like caching at all levels (JSPs - if you can - we
>     will for
>     >     some, Services caching, DB caching, clustered caching - we might
>     >     use memcached for some smaller global things, etc...) as that in
>     >     itself can "extremely" improve a sites scalability.  Case in
>     point
>     >     Facebook (built with PHP) once upon a time was rumoured to have
>     >     over 500 memcached caching servers to compensate for the
>     fact that
>     >     PHP is quite DB intensive... but nonetheless demonstrates how
>     >     important caching is in some large sites.  Other things to
>     >     consider is DB sharding - we did and have built that on top of
>     >     Stripersist.
>     >
>     >>     Im interested to know if with Stripes can build large projects
>     >>     with lots of traffic. Of course a lot depends on how to
>     program,
>     >>     but I mean Framework structure.
>     >>
>     >     Well.  We are going to find out soon.  We are building a large
>     >     social community site that will invite 600K users and launch
>     in 8
>     >     virtualized countries in 2 languages initially (English and
>     >     Spanish) and is being built for more countries and
>     languages.  We
>     >     are heavily invested in Stripes as "the" framework for this
>     >     project and will definitely put it to its test.  We will be
>     using
>     >     Oracle Web Server (RP), GlassFish (AS) and MySQL (DB).
>     >
>     >     We also plan on launching with a 3 tier - 6 server LB'd
>     >     configuration - in a US data center and will be looking towards
>     >     adding datacenters in Europe and later in Australia.  Also
>     we will
>     >     leverage CDN's to deliver resources which improve web browser
>     >     response times but also reduces / offloads serving static
>     content
>     >     from our data centers.
>     >
>     >     So to make long story short, we will find out soon enough
>     how well
>     >     Stripes puts up with what we expect to be quite heavy workload /
>     >     processing, but regardless I personally would focus on
>     >     architecture and design foremost as a UI framework is but one
>     >     component and if your architecture and / or design isn't
>     >     adequate... it won't matter how well Stripes itself
>     performs... as
>     >     you'll have bigger problems to worry about.
>     >
>     >     In any event, this is merely an opinion at this point.  We
>     do hope
>     >     to provide tangible data to directly answer your question post
>     >     launch :-)
>     >
>     >     Hope this helps.
>     >
>     >     --Nikolaos
>     >
>     >>
>     >>     Excuse for bad English.).
>     >>     Regards.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     >
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