David
From: "Vic Cekvenich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: exit stratefy was Plans for the upcoming 2/14 soft deadline
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:35:57 -0500
No HTML-EL in 1.2?
Is that final?
.V
"David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> The templates taglib is already deprecated. We won't move the base
servlet
> spec to 2.3 until 2.0 which means no filters, el, or jstl dependencies.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
> David
>
>
>
> >From: "Vic Cekvenich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: exit stratefy was Plans for the upcoming 2/14 soft deadline
> >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:13:45 -0500
> >
> >If I can say ....
> >Please consider releasing nightly build (w/o EL) very, very soon, as a
RC1;
> >+ plus a note of the know bugs.
> >(I know it's not ideal, but it's an *exit* strategy).
> >As soon as the bugs are fixed, release.
> >Of course if something *new* shows up in RC1, then have RC2.
> >
> >At this point I would rather have 1.1a if something new shows up; other
> >Jakarta projects have.
> >
> >
> >Note: I plant to try to take basicPortal.com to Jakarta incubator, very
> >soon, coments welcome.
> >
> >And if anyone wants to contribute to an online class (people only pay
> >"WebEx" charges), coming up very soon.
> >
> >vc at basebeans.com
> >
> >Then my 1.2 wishlist (Craig?)
> >- HTML-el
> >- ship with JSTL (Maven?)
> >- deprecate templates
> >- deprecate (means will be gone after 2.0) beans tag (so people can use
> >core
> >tag)
> >- split struts jar in 2. One for tags(and nested), one for rest. (So one
> >day
> >Struts could move most it's tags to jakarta.taglibs. Thus people can
render
> >anyway they want, ex: Faces tag)
> >- include simple version of Scafolding BaseAction (w/ default disptach)
and
> >BaseFormBean (w/ beantuils to copy multirow) - This hints people in a
good
> >direction.
> >- better tiles and login example (Container based security)
> >- filters? listeners?
> >- please include struts-menu by S. Skyles (in strutstags.jar), it is
> >popular
> >as any tag and singe point for navigations.
> >- faces "extension"
> >- multi row example app in contrib ?
> >- master/detail example app in contrib ?
> >- Servlet 2.3
> >(be glad to do half of any of above)
> >
> >Past 2.0 wish list:
> >- Axis controller
> >- Commons-SQL or Castor (or RowSet) example app w/Struts.
> >- DAO interface/factory (in Commons?)
> >- Deprecate most tags (let people use taglibs for render,or Velocity, or
> >faces....) but support JSP 2.0 in this release (HTML-EL, Faces, Tiles,
> >Validator only; no logic, etc. support)
> >- XML "generator". Have you used JasperReports? "He" create an XML file
> >that
> >"compiles" to something else. So if we create a XML file (with bands?)
that
> >"compiles" to JSP and struts.config, ,etc.? Then others can write XML
> >generators for any output. Of course, base extension classes behind.
> >- JDK1.4 required
> >- Servlet 2.4
> >- There were a lot of 2.0 ideas.... I can't recall them.
> >
> >It is more exciting past 1.1.
> >
> >.V
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Ted Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > I would agree with Craig that dates are good motivators for cutting
> > > betas, but to cut a Release Candidate, logically, we need to be
> > > release-ready. The objective release-ready test is what shows up in
> > > Bugzilla. So, someone has to either fix or defer (in good conscious)
any
> > > outstanding tickets.
> > >
> > > As for the Release Plan, we can continue to amend the B3 page. When
> > > we're ready for R1, make the final revisions and re-post it under a
new
> > > name. Since everything should be done by then, the freeze date can be
> > > set for +(72 hours), to coincide with the close of the vote.
> > >
> > > At this point, I just don't have any more blood to shed for 1.1. If we
> > > can't get this thing out the door in February, then we should look for
> > > some more comitters who can.
> > >
> > > Either way, come March, I say it's time to get a fresh,
> > > test-first-design start on 2.x. A year of FUD is more than enough.
> > >
> > > -Ted.
> > >
> > > Martin Cooper wrote:
> > > > Ted had suggested that we resolve the outstanding items first, and
> >then
> > > > put together a release plan, complete with tag date. See:
> > > >
> > > >
>
>http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
a
> >che.org&msgId=612913
> > > >
> > > > However, I don't believe that's working. In fact, as I believe Ted
> >himself
> > > > said of the 1.1-b3 drive, having a date to aim for is a better
> >motivator.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, as I mentioned before, I don't have much time to help
> >kill
> > > > outstanding bug reports for RC1, due to current "day job" pressures.
> >It'd
> > > > be great to see an RC1 on or around Feb 14th, and I can do the RM
> >thing,
> > > > but I'm going to have to rely on others of you to get us ready for
> >that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Also, what is the status of the idea of separating the contrib
> >libraries
> > > >>out of the release? I'm not certain what the result was of any vote
> >on
> > > >>this, but I had the impression there wasn't enough response to make
a
> > > >>decision.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > IMO, Struts-EL should stay put until we get Struts 1.1 out the door.
> >After
> > > > that, we can discuss how to incorporate contrib code into the
release
> >as
> > > > part of a broader discussion of how to factor distributions.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Martin Cooper
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ted Husted,
> > > Struts in Action <http://husted.com/struts/book.html>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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