Here's the bottom line ... the number of bugs yet to be found is infinite. Waiting for "one more bugfix" is just as bad as waiting for "one more feature" -- we might as well be waiting for Godot :-).
If someone wants these two issues addressed before Beta 2, someone had better supply a patch. Otherwise, that's what release notes are for -- where we're already going to be documenting a number of outstanding Validator issues. Craig On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Byrne, Steven wrote: > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:37:04 -0400 > From: "Byrne, Steven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Struts Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Struts Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: The state of 1.1 Beta 2 > > I think as much as we would like to think that new users trying out > Struts will understand what the term "beta" means, I believe reality is > that there will be a lot of negative impressions formed by having what's > very likely to be the first webapp that newbies will try out fail on > them. It gives the impression of lack of quality and attention to > detail; imagine how you'd look at it: "Geez, if they can't even get > their simple examples to work right, how can I have any faith that this > is really viable technology, even after 1.1 is finally released". > > I know everyone on the development team is anxious to have b2 out, and I > understand it can be a little frustrating to have to wait until this is > fixed. But in the grand scheme of things, waiting a few days until this > problem is fixed and having a more polished system is well worth it. If > this week weren't so bad for me timewise, I'd fix the blank webapp and > try to tackle the broken tiles links; if it can wait until next week I > can promise to produce these patches. > > Please consider very carefully the full ramifications of having Struts > get a "black eye" from having glaring out of the box problems. It's > been a while since b1 was released, I would imagine there will be a > spate of reviews that talk about what's new in b2, and I can see each of > them saying things like "while there are a lot of new features in b2, > the fact that even their simplest example application doesn't work > should give the intrepid developer pause to consider whether this > technology is really ready for prime time..." blah blah blah. > > Folks -- you've worked too hard on this system to let it go out like > this with a simple, repairable, relatively glaring problem like this. > > Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:03 AM > > To: Struts Developers List > > Subject: RE: The state of 1.1 Beta 2 > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:05:07 -0400 > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Reply-To: Struts Developers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: The state of 1.1 Beta 2 > > > > > > > > > For what I am worth, I would agree with fixing the > > blank-webapp... I > > > encountered this early on and it was very frusterating when > > I started > > > learning struts (i assumed the blank-app was configured correctly). > > > > > > > Nobody is arguing that doing this would be a waste of time. > > What's most > > important is for someone to take the time to *do* it. Patches are > > welcome! > > > > Given that this is a beta release, however, I'm not convinced > > that this > > issue should be used to hold up all the people who would be > > willing to use > > a beta release for testing (but not a nightly build) to get us more > > feedback on bugs that need to be fixed. > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jeremy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:17 AM > > > To: struts-dev > > > Subject: Re: The state of 1.1 Beta 2 > > > > > > > > > My 2-cents...... > > > > > > Many people who will start using struts will use the latest > > > beta release.....and start with the struts-blank webapp. > > > Havning this not working is going to discourage a lot of > > > first timer's away from the project, as well as second > > > timer's waiting for a more stable release. I would say that > > > some of the problems listed below definitely warrent holding > > > up the beta 2 release. > > > > > > toodles.... > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
