There's a link to Sun's Rave page on my website: http://www.jamesholmes.com/JavaServerFaces/
It's similar to Visual Studio type functionality. I saw it working and was pretty impressed considering I don't use that type of tool currently. It's definitely a step in the right direction for Java tools. -James Struts Console http://www.jamesholmes.com/struts/ -----Original Message----- From: Igor Shabalov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:15 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Struts can't "get its act together" - JavaPro Do anybody have a bit more information about "Project Rave"? On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:51:40 -0400, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Glenn, > > There's actually been some really exciting JavaServer Faces tools news > at JavaOne. First, there's Project Rave from Sun which looks really > close to the Visual Studio stuff from Microsoft. This looks very > promising. Basically drag and drop type stuff. > > I also had the fortune of getting to see some upcoming Oracle JDeveloper > builds which also incorporate very nice functionality for JavaServer > Faces. The Oracle stuff looks very promising and I'm quite excited > about it. > > I just added a link to my Java Server Faces page for Project Rave: > > http://www.jamesholmes.com/JavaServerFaces/ > > -James > Struts Console > http://www.jamesholmes.com/struts/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Davidson, Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: > Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:34 PM > To: 'Struts Developers List' > Subject: RE: Struts can't "get its act together" - JavaPro > > James, > Your site is most helpful, thanks. I was wondering if you had any > additional > details on potential JSF developer products and/or any idea when we > might be > able to start using JSF? Are there any tools planned for migrating > Struts > applications to JSF? JSF is clearly something we want to know more > about. > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:19 PM > To: 'Struts Developers List' > Subject: RE: Struts can't "get its act together" - JavaPro > > > I'd recommend you have a look at JavaServer Faces (JSF). I'm at JavaOne > right now and Sun -- along with other vendors -- is putting some serious > resources into developer productivity by way of JSF. I have put > together a page on my website with more info on Java Server Faces: > > http://www.jamesholmes.com/JavaServerFaces/ > > -James > Struts Console > http://www.jamesholmes.com/struts/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Davidson, Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: > Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:15 PM > To: 'Struts Developers List' > Subject: RE: Struts can't "get its act together" - JavaPro > > Chris, > I tend to agree with your assessment of JavaPro but I'd like to open > this up > a little. Right now we are faced with two choices for web development > .Net > or not .Net. I can over-simplify the arguments for and against .Net as > the > following: > > .NET Pluses > Developer Productivity > Negatives > Vendor lock in. > > Others (including Struts) > Pluses No vendor lock in > Negatives > Less developer Productivity > > It seems like many if not most companies are more interested in > developer > productivity. > > Does anyone know of, or foresee any means by which we (developers) will > be > able to be as productive using Struts/JSP/DHTML/JavaScript etc. as > people > are using .Net? I'd love to be able to make a case against .Net . > > Thanks > > Glenn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Gerrard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Stuts can't "get its act together" - JavaPro > > > I found this announcement today on JavaPro's August Issue online "In > Brief" site: > http://www.ftponline.com/javapro/2003_08/magazine/departments/inbrief/de > faul > t.asp > > The blurb: > Developer Tools > TurboM2 > Tired of waiting for The Apache Group to get its act together with the > Struts initiative, Virtuas has launched a framework of its own. Virtuas > released TurboM2 previously under the name Web Application Model (WAM). > Since then, the company decided to alter the product to perform many of > the features Struts offers, and like Struts will be released under the > open source model. > > There's more, but on casual inspection it appears that JavaPro has > simply regurgitated some marketing poo from Virtuas intended to convey > the impression that Struts is in a funk and not moving forward. (so one > should naturally move to Virtuas' TurboM2 product) > > Upon casual inspection it appears that TurboM2 is a fairly direct clone > of Struts. On of Virtuas' value-added claims is that TurboM2 has > available support and training that Struts does not. > > Links: > Virtuas TurboM2: http://www.turbom2.org/index.html > Struts/TurboM2 comparison: http://www.turbom2.org/docs/Comparison.pdf > > The part that disturbs me is JavaPro's presenting this whole pile as if > it were truth. Someone reading this article could well be persuaded that > yes, indeed, Struts is in trouble and they should look elsewhere. I've > been > less than impressed with JavaPro's content for some time, and this erodes > my confidence in their editorial control and knowledge of the Java world > even further. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Igor Shabalov Director of Engineering Exadel Inc. http://www.exadel.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
