I'm in the process of reading the article ... so no comments on it yet, but I have done a little XSL/XSLT and am in the process of converting my personal website to use it.
1. I18N. Agreed. This is a problem. Having gotten used to I18N in my apps, I really have no desire to give it up. According to the book XSLT (by Doug Tidwell, Pub: O'Reilly, Aug 2001) it is possible to extend XSL/XSLT with Java extensions. Could we brave souls not write an XSL/XSLT extension to give us the I18N that we get in struts-powered JSPs? On the other hand, as I re-read this before I hit send, the XSL/XSLT only process the XML that it's given. It's up to what ever generates the XML to perform the I18N. With a struts/XSL/XSLT mix, who's responsibility would it be to provide I18N? 2. XSL examples. Hmmm. I've written some small ones. They really aren't that hard. I'm planning to write some HOW-TOs (ant, junit etc) once my wife delivers our #2 child, and I take a week off to show support and pull the night shift for her, but she's T plus 5 days right now, so I'm still here at work. I'll add some simple XSL/XSLT examples to the list of things to write. The Tidwell XSLT book has a number of good examples in it and coupled with his excellent explanations, is a powerful book. Recommended. (Although being six months old, I'm sure that it's ready for a re-write! :-) Just a few comments before I get back to reading the article. Simon ----------------------------------------------------------------- Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Java Programming Specialist www.landsend.com Lands' End, Inc. (608) 935-4526 >-----Original Message----- >From: Matt Raible [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:01 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: Re: Boost Struts with XSLT and XML - JavaWorld.com > > >I read this article and think that it is good - but there's a >couple of things >that I think need to happen before this architecture is "embraced." > >1. There needs to be mechanisms for getting >internationalization into your XML >or XSL. It seems difficult to use messages from a properties files for >messages and form labels. By "difficult", I mean harder than >it is to use ><bean:message> in JSPs. I could see putting them into the XML >document, but >then it seems that HTML developer type stuff is getting handed >off to the Java >developer. > >2. XSL Templates and examples are difficult to find. I think >this technology >and concept would rapidly catch-on if there were XSL >stylesheets that you could >download that would format all your form-elements and other >details. If the >struts-example where adapted to use this approach, people >would jump all over >it I'll bet. > >3. XSL is difficult to debug, and if we're truly separating view from >everything else - good luck finding a "view" developer that >knows XSL. > >I know some of these are irrelevant since we HTML developers >are often Java >coders and XSL experts... but just my 2 cents. > >Matt > > > > > >--- Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> See also the Velocity/Struts toolset. >> >> http://husted.com/struts/resources/velstruts.zip >> >> and >> >> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-velocity-tools/ >> >> Same basic idea: expose the Struts API as an object that anybody can >> easily use, without having to know that Struts even exists. All the >> hooks are there, they just aren't as easy to get to as they >might be. >> >> I started a ContextHelper object that did this as part of the core >> framework. We pulled it out temporarily while the new >multiapps stuff is >> going on. But I plan to put it back in so that the default controller >> does what the X2 Servlet and Velocity Servlets are doing, in >a uniform >> way. >> >> It's my personal opinion that, while JSPs are flexible, these other >> technologies work are ever bit as effictive when used as the >V in MVC. >> >> -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. >> -- Java Web Development with Struts. >> -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. >> -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ >> >> >> >> "Knoll, Zach" wrote: >> > >> > This is really cool. I've been struggling with this for a >while trying to >> > convince myself that everything that comes from SUN must >be good and >> > beautiful and that those that were ragging on JSP were >just fringe loonies. >> > I thought the whole struts tag library and tag libraries >in general would >> > shut up the non-believers by removing spaghetti code from >JSP. But from >> > experience I am seeing that people will always go the >easiest route and >> when >> > offered a choice between learning how to handle a new tag >library API or >> > just slopping some java code into your JSP, its the rare >coder who wont >> take >> > the sloppy, easier, impossibly harder to debug 2 months >later approach. I >> > think I can finally admit now that JSP is just not a clean >good technology >> > and although I have a lot to learn I'd like to move away from JSP's >> > altogether. Simultaneous to my JSP=bad voyage of discovery >I was also >> > starting to learn Struts and saw and continue to see in >Struts stuff that I >> > have been doing on my own for a while now, done in a more >polished cleaner >> > fashion that attracts me to it. This article showing how >to have the best >> > servlet centric architecture (Struts) while cutting out >the dead-weight >> > (JSP) really hits home. I just wish they would've provided >more code so >> > people like myself who are new to xml can really get a >sense of how to >> > implement this beast. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Pete Carapetyan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:17 PM >> > To: Struts Users Mailing List >> > Subject: Re: Boost Struts with XSLT and XML - JavaWorld.com >> > >> > This is one of the most well written articles I have ever seen. >> > >> > At first blush, I am having a difficult time deciding wether this >> technology >> > is >> > totally cool, or it is just such a straightforward >presentation that I am >> > twitterpated. >> > >> > Thanks Todd >> > >> > "Todd G. Nist" wrote: >> > >> > > I have not seen this posted so, for those interested in >using XSLT and >> XML >> > > with Struts, thought the following article maybe of value. >> > > >> > > Boost Struts with XSLT and XML >> > > An introduction to Model 2X >> > > >> > > Summary >> > > Struts is an innovative server-side Java framework >designed to build Web >> > > applications. Hosted by the Apache Software Foundation's >Jakarta Project, >> > > Struts has recently gained wide acceptance in the Java >community. In this >> > > article, Julien Mercay and Gilbert Bouzeid introduce the >processing model >> > > underlying Struts, describe the Struts framework itself, >and present >> Model >> > > 2X, which enhances Struts by replacing JSP (JavaServer >Pages) with XML >> and >> > > XSLT (Extensible Stylesheet Language Transformations) to >better separate >> > > logic and presentation. (2,600 words; February 1, 2002) >> > > >> > > By Julien Mercay and Gilbert Bouzeid >> > > >> > > URL: >> > >http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-02-2002/jw-0201-strutsxslt.html? >> > > >> > > Todd G. Nist >> > > >> > > -- >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> > -- >> > Pete Carapetyan >> > http://datafundamentals.com >> > Java Development Services >> > >> > Open standards technology for commercial profitability >> > >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> > >********************************************************************** >> > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >> > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to >whom they >> > are addressed. 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