I have been looking at a lot different approaches for developing web pages
(and/or other formats).  The one thing the "anti-JSP" folks seem to have in
common is that they find it too difficult for non-technical designers to
deal with the tag format, and what appears to be complex concepts like Java
Beans or data objects.  The various alternatives are always trying to make
the front end development easier.  In some respects I agree, but that
doesn't mean you should give up the power and flexibility of standard
implementation approaches.  There is a lot of power with JSP for those who
want to use it and I don't want to give up this flexibility to use it when I
need to.

Taglibs help some, along with frameworks such as Struts.  However, there are
few web page development environments (I have only found one good one -
Dreamweaver UltraDev) that does a reasonable job of assisting with the
development of web pages using custom Taglibs.  This is possible with the
extension provided in the common/taglibs section of this web site.

I feel one area this group should be working on is the development of tools
to ease the front end development.  I like the tiles concept and will use
it, but does this make the front end development too abstract?  The Struts
folks have done a good job of making the server side development environment
well organized.  Any thoughts on working more on the front end so we can get
designers to use this technology and so we can easily support XML as easily
as we support HTML?  The basics are in place as I have not seen anything is
other environments that is not here and I think the Struts environment is
better on the server side than most.

Thoughts?

bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Cancro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: XMLC Article on the Serverside


> Thanks,
>
> So to wrap up this thread, I think this summarizes the article's points:
>
> XMLC
> -generates a file from a source file
> -requires engineer and designer to use a common set of id names
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pedone, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:47 PM
> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > Subject: RE: XMLC Article on the Serverside
> >
> >
> > Here's an article comparing Velocity and XMLC.  It points out
> > some of the
> > short comings of XMLC so it is somewhat relavent.  Of course
> > you can use
> > Velocity with Struts too.
> >
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/casestudy2.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Cancro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:36 AM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: FW: XMLC Article on the Serverside
> >
> >
> > I thought the Struts users on this list might be interested
> > in this article
> > about XMLC vs. JSP.
> >
> > It's pretty pro-XMLC.  I couldn't find any contrary opinions
> > in the Struts
> > archive.  Does anyone know some disadvantages of XMLC compared to JSP?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=XMLCvsJSP
> >
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