Good luck Simon. Personally, when a management team begins to make really silly, non-productive decisions like the one you mentioned, I start looking around for another position, discretely, of course. Things like that just make doing your job that much harder, and really impact the atmosphere and productivity of the work environment.
Best of luck to you!!!! Celeste -----Original Message----- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:55 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) Celeste, Actually, I do have full rights to my machine. You should see the list of non-approved software on here! :-D Concerning starting and stopping services, we will have a development server to publish to so that we don't need that ability on our workstations. I have very strongly represented that this approach is so far below sub-optimal that it isn't funny, but management still want everything locked down. Simon >-----Original Message----- >From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:39 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >Simon, > >To my knowledge, on Windows 2000, you can put people into >"roles", such as >Admin, User, etc. This will limit the user's ability to >install software, >but if you can "guess" the admins password successfully, then >you just add >yourself into the Admin role on the machine, and your home >free. In fact, >there is software out there that does just that, as my young >(21 year old) >network admin has advised me of. We have had several people >in the company >(non development staff) use that same software to install KaZaa and/or >Morpheus, thereby bypassing the User "lock" on their machines. > I have no >problem if people use their machines after business hours to >download large >files, but during business hours, it ties up the bandwidth we need to >conduct business. > >By the way, how is your staff going to be able to start/stop your local >version of the application server on their dev boxes? We use >JRUN 4.0 here, >and it requires you to be in the admin role on the machine to >be able to >start/stop the server on your local machine for development >purposes. And >we use an Eclipse plug in for JRUN to start/stop the server, >debug, and to >compile our JSP pages down to servlets. None of that would be >possible on >the local developers machine if we moved their login to simply >a User role, >vs the Admin role. Perhaps if you look closer at what each >developer needs >access to in order to do his/her job, then you could make a >case for leaving >the development staff in the Admin role on their machines. > >Celeste > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:26 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >Celeste, > >With Windows 2000, it is very possible to lock down a machine. >Now, it is >also hackable, but that would be against policy and therefore >a "punishable >by dismissal" offence. > >It is a huge drag on productivity and this has been pointed out and >rejected. So, let them manage the developers however they >wish. My personal >laptop and I will continue to be productive. > >If I wasn't working here for geographical/religious reasons, >then I'd be >freshening up my resume and going to work with Mark. (well, >maybe not ;-) > >Simon > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:13 AM >>To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >>Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) >> >> >>Simon, >> >>How in the world can you lock down a developers machine? Not >>only is that >>non-productive in my opinion, but I suspect that half the >>staff would be >>spending some of their time trying to figure out the admin >>password on their >>machine, just to "remove" the "lock" (for Windows only >>operating systems, of >>course). You must have a separate IT support department that >>is on a power >>trip trying to control the IT development groups machines. >> >>Like you, I would be bringing in my own laptop, and doing my >work in it >>while looking for another job. >> >>Celeste >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:31 AM >>To: Struts Users Mailing List >>Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) >> >> >>Our management (I won't say leadership, for reasons that will >>be obvious to >>experienced IS developers) also have the belief that >standardisation is >>good. We are having our J2EE workstations defined to the n'th >>degree and >>they will all be locked down so that you can't change >>anything. You can't >>even change your windows wallpaper!!! Our IDE is defined, >>you'd better like >>it because you can't install anything else. All in the sacred name of >>productivity. >> >>Anyone else out there going through this or have advice to share? >> >>I am planning to bring my personal laptop to work to do any of >>my tinkering >>on. I like to think that my tinkering is helpful to the >>company, but you >>wouldn't think so from these new policies. This past year, I >>have introduced >>to the company's IS environment four new tools that I >>evaluated by tinkering >>with in those downtimes between projects. Specifically, these >tools are >>Struts (hey, you know I like Struts! :-), ant, junit and >>Cygwin. The funny >>thing, to me, is that these tools evaluated by tinkering are >>going to be >>part of the new locked down standard! Gotta laugh. >> >>Simon >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Daniel H. F. e Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:39 AM >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Subject: [OT] Eclipse IDE - The Two Towers >>> >>> >>>Hi all, >>> I do appreciate all feedback posted here in this list. >>> Well, i am only executing orders. I don't intend to obligate >>>everybody to adopt my >>>recomendations. >>>My boss wants a standard environment to all developers. So, >>>order is order. >>> I think his concern about this task is to improve >>>productivity. So, what is more productive? >>> Following our discussion, does someone have experience >>>writing Eclipse plugins? How difficult is >>>this kind of task? >>> >>>Best regards, >>> Daniel. >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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