On Thursday, Jul 10, 2003, at 12:34 America/Denver, Yuan, Saul (TOR-ML) wrote:


I started using JSTL but found that it encouraged site builders to
start embedding logic in JSP's.

I'd sure be interested in some examples of this. JSTL doesn't really provide anything more than what you could do yourself with scriptlets
and
runtime expressions -- indeed, it's a lot LESS than what you could do
with
those things, in addition to doing it much more succinctly.

JSTL does have a few tags that deal with the backend, say the query tag:
<sql:query ..., with this you can pull data directly in a Jsp page
without going through a controller layer. But this doesn't necessarily
mean JSTL encourage you to do it this way.

JSTL's SQL tags are unfairly maligned, IMO. If you stay away from <sql:update> and <sql:transaction>, which clearly break MVC protocol*, your views can pull data from the model and display it (which is what views are supposed to do) with <sql:query> and the param tags.



david


*because the views are modifying the model (database)


Saul



I guess you could say my viewpoint on this is exactly the opposite.


Craig

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