--- "Bailey, Shane C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have ONLY ever run into the JSTL tags on this forum (and in Struts In > Action on pgs 272-273) so I didn't think it was that OT. Especially > since > it can be used with Struts and code examples posted here nearly daily > with > no complaint. I just never went anywhere looking for these tags.
I only consider debates/complaints over the JSTL to be OT (maybe others don't). I certainly don't consider questions about combining Struts and JSTL to be OT. I can't be the only person who's tired of the "why should I use JSTL?" or "scriptlets aren't bad." discussions so all I was asking was for an [OT] marker to help filter them out. David > > I never told anyone to change the tag lib. I just see it constantly on > this > forum and I was seriously wondering if I just wasn't getting it (the > advantages of having tags written that way). I don't care that they are > on > this forum at all but I just am wondering if others thought it was a > weird > way to implement tags. > > Sorry, won't happen again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:33 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: Ranko like question: What is the sense of some of these > tags > libs ? > > --- "Bailey, Shane C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I should have put the smiley face closer to the conspiracy statement. > > That > > was a joke. > > > > I think having $ in a tag is a skewed perception of a tag. I have > only > > ever > > seen such things in scripts or macros. I can't remember using a $ in > > anything but a scripting language (personally). > > > > Anyway, I just look at those tags and cringe. Wonder why they > couldn't > > have > > been written like, well, a real tag? > > > > I am just trying to understand and play devil's advocate kinda like > > Ranko > > did and therefore why I mentioned him in my original message. Just > > something I don't see the point in (these untags) and so wondered what > > others thought. > > > > I guess I should have waited until Friday when people are in a more > > jovial > > mood. > > It would also help if you placed [OT] at the front of the subject line. > IMO, the struts-user isn't a good place to discuss why you like/dislike > the JSTL tags. It's futile anyways because they're not going to change > the JSTL just because some people are complaining about it on the > struts-user mailing list :-). > > I've never had to use an expression similar to the one in your example > in > any of my apps. The JSTL gives you powerful expressions to use when you > need them but most of the time you can get by with simple stuff if you > do > most of the work in real Java classes. > > David > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:27 AM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: Re: Ranko like question: What is the sense of some of these > > tags > > libs ? > > > > --- "Bailey, Shane C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > As Ranko asked, about the redundancy of Struts I would like to know > > that > > > the > > > heck is the deal with SOME of these tag libs out there? > > > > > > I mean, look at this: <c:if test="${index%2==0}"> and look at this: > <% > > > if(index.intValue()%2==0){ %> > > > > > > I like NOT to use Java scriptlets in my JSPs and I am pretty decent > at > > > achieving that but > > > > > > if my only resolve of using a "tag" is to have it look like CODE and > > not > > > a > > > true tag why > > > > > > have people (code maintainers and the original coder in the first > > place) > > > learn a new "language" > > > > > > and just use a scriptlet? > > > > If you extend your example to use nested properties, maps, lists, etc > > you > > will start to see why the <c:if> tag is easier. > > > > > > > > Seeing $var like tag code that makes me think this is some sort of > > > conspiracy so that all the > > > > > > UNIX admins, with their UNIX scripts, who needed new jobs, since > > WinTel > > > is > > > taking over, > > > > This is a rather skewed perception of reality. > > > > David > > > > > starting > > > > > > writing "tag" libraries. > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean really, what is the deal with these so called "tags" that > > aren't > > > tags? > > > > > > JavaScript was cool when it came out (and wasn't developed by Sun) > > > because > > > if you knew Java then > > > > > > you were about 90% there to being a great JavaScripter. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I say Ranko, are you just as bewildered at this as I am? > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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