Don't get me wrong though, I agree thoroughly that we should really test it and make sure it plays as advertised.... But I think its gonna be easier to do that than test/scale/stabalise what we currently have.
David On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, David Van Assche <dvanass...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, at least on Gnome, Mission Control not only works well, but its > far more stable and does what its supposed to. Its been very heavily > tested by Nokia (Maemo), Collabra, Google, openmoko and other heavy > hitters. I don't really agree that we have something that works with > sugar presence. In the majority of cases, where we've had testing > sessions, though admittedly, with badly callibrated xmpp servers, I > would go so far as to say that it was attrocious in terms of > performance and stability. Once connected, collaboration worked great, > but the stuff that happens before that, which is what sugar presence > is supposed to be taking care of does not work well at all. If you > take a look at telepathy-inspector and the advancements in telepathy > itself, of which mission control 5 is one of the major overhauls, its > massive improvement over the passed. And one of the main issues was > that sugar presence used its own bindings, blind sighting a lot of > what telepathy is doing, which is why currently it simply doesn't > work. Without a xmpp server, you'll have a field day getting any kind > of collaboration to work, and even with a really carefully setup > ejabbberd server full of optimisations, I at least, have not been able > to get the presence part to reliably do the same thing every time. > Some times people show up, sometimes they dont sometimes 10 minutes > later, sometimes with totally weird settings and names.... Its quite > clear to me that what may have worked ok in 0.82, now does not. And to > me that makes total sense, if u look at the timeline, the code, the > blueprints, and most importantly, the actualised telepathy dbus > bindings (The presence part has changed completely and looks nothing > like it did when 0.82 and earlier were coded.) > > But dont take my word for it, take a look here and you'll see what I > mean: > http://people.collabora.co.uk/~danni/telepathy-book/chapter.accounts.html > > kind regards, > David Van Assche > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Martin Langhoff > <martin.langh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, David Van Assche <dvanass...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> moving to mission control 5 and letting go of the admittedly >>> antiquated sugar presence now >> >> In planning future work in rpesence and collab stuff, I have a small, >> humble suggestion. >> >> Figuring out if a presence service / collab infra works and scales >> properly on both wired and wireless networks is hard. Very hard. We've >> been gotten it wrong several times by looking at the theory (instead >> of hard-nosed testing). >> >> Right now we have something that -- while less than ideal -- at least >> works for a number of scenarios. >> >> If you play with a major component replacement >> >> - test it for scalability & stability over wifi before doing a lot of >> integration work >> >> - do the integr work on a branch >> >> - test that the integrated thing works stable and scalable >> >> Of course that's ideal world stuff. However, the heart of the matter >> is: approach mission control tentatively... and at least _some_ >> significant testing needs to happen before it's merged... >> >> We've gotten this wrong a few times -- I am not keen on repeating the >> adventures... :-/ >> >> >> >> m >> -- >> martin.langh...@gmail.com >> mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect >> - ask interesting questions >> - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first >> - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff >> > > > > -- > > Stephen Leacock - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue > that I shall some day die, which is not so." - > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html > -- Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel