On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Martin <garycmar...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi Walter, > > On 3 Aug 2010, at 11:39, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <to...@sugarlabs.org> wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:39, Martin Dengler <mar...@martindengler.com> >>> wrote: >>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:32:34PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >>>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Chris Ball <c...@laptop.org> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Christian, >>>>>> >>>>>> > Hi Chris--to address scalability we have a list view from which >>>>>> > you can select favorite activities to go in the ring. This is a >>>>>> > similar technique to the OSX dock or Windows taskbar. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think this is working out. For OLPC (and perhaps SoaS as >>>>>> well?) we're shipping with every activity other than Log and Terminal >>>>>> favorited by default, after receiving reports that kids didn't >>>>>> understand how to launch activities otherwise. >>>>> >>>>> Here is a tighter spiral of 74 icons for the home view (running in the >>>>> Sugar emulator at 800x600). >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/f/f0/Spiral-home-view.png >>>> >>>> +1 >>> >>> Sorry if this has already been considered, but maybe the favorites >>> view should only contain the few most used activities and the rest can >>> be launched from the list view? If this is not viable for some reason, >>> maybe we need to fix or remove the list view? >> >> >> Well, I think we are bumping up against three orthogonal issues here: >> >> (1) how to make the Home View support more icons (without needing to >> scroll or pan -- we saw problems with that in the original donut view >> and still see it with the control panel -- this is the goal of the >> spiral. (The suggestion to shrink icons down to a pixel is a nice one, >> but rapidly degrades into something unusable in IMHO and requires yet >> another UI affordance: magnify. I think we can avoid such complexity >> for quite some time yet.) > > One fallback I keep thinking about is an overflow/more... icon as the last > available icon in a favourite layout. In much the same way as the toolbar > overflow drop down menu, it would act as the final catch all for an excess > of activity icons. Alternatively it could be an option for where the main > list view functionality goes if we remove that view and decide Journal is not > where the functionality should go — the drop down could hold all non > favourites activities. > >> (2) the list view is intended to organize which icons are available on >> the home view and to access infrequently used icons. It also gives the >> user info re which version of an activity is installed. The current >> design causes confusion with the Journal and has very limited >> capability relative to the cost of supporting an alternative view. I >> would vote to move this functionality to the Journal: starred >> activities (items) show up on the Home View. > > Yes I think this has lots of potential. It does raise the issue/feature of > being able to fav non-bundles and have them appear on your home view (i.e. > some specific PDF books you are currently reading), this needs some thought > as the home view would now contain some activity icons that changed to show > most recent usage plus provide 'start new' functionality, and others that > always just resumed a the same specific activity id. Perhaps in this case we > would revert to the old grey icon / start new for activity bundles (with > resume in their drop down menu) — oh Lordy... ;) > >> But this is a seemingly >> wholly separate topic from #1. >> >> (3) even with the above resolved, we have arguably too little control >> over the home view, both in terns of what appears -- several requests >> have been made for the ability to have views of multiple collections: >> e.g., school view, home view, etc. and the ability to customize (as >> the Random View currently supports). (Also, there is often a request >> for a background image for the Home View.) All of these are features >> that could be added incrementally, preferably after we settle item #2. >> (My favorite solution for collections is to allow multiple stars, like >> in gmail.) > > Multiple stars, like gmail? Hmm can't see that gmail feature — did you mean > multiple labels/tags? If we went with the Journal favs showing up in home > view, we could go the whole hog and use the Journal tags as well. That way > you could view home favs by tag with activities potentially appearing in more > than on group. >
Might be an add-on. But I can assign different stars to my mail. Using tags is spot on, but we may want a button or star mechanism to generate the tags as well. > --Gary > >> -walter >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Tomeu >>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> - Chris. >>>>> >>>>> -walter >>>> >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> http://www.sugarlabs.org > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
