On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 15:51, Esteban Arias <ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy> wrote: > What should we change in sugar?
See these: http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/stable/ http://library.gnome.org/devel/accessibility-devel-guide/stable/ Regards, Tomeu > 2010/9/8 Tomeu Vizoso <to...@sugarlabs.org> >> >> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 18:32, Peter Korn <peter.k...@oracle.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Tomeu, gang, >> > >> > [I'm cc-ing Joanie Diggs, co-maintainer of Orca] >> > >> > I believe there are 6 key things that need to be done in/for Sugar to >> > enable use of the GNOME accessibility work for folks with vision >> > impairments. Others more expert in the specific details may correct/amend >> > my comments. I believe the 6 things are: >> > >> > The shift of AT-SPI from CORBA to DBUS (in process, not yet completed, >> > but builds of at-spi2 are in the GNOME code repository and if someone would >> > start playing and testing with it on the OLPC, that'd be great!) >> >> I tested the very recent bits of at-spi2 in sugar-jhbuild and they >> seemed to work fine in that accerciser was able to navigate through >> the controls of the desktop window and of activities (applications). >> >> > Implementation of ATK by the Sugar UI components (this is the >> > accessibility API that screen readers like Orca use) >> >> Accerciser showed that it could not go into the HippoCanvas widget >> that is used in some fundamental parts of the Sugar shell and also >> inside our browser. The browser is moving from xulrunner to webkitgtk+ >> which I expect to fare much better there. About HippoCanvas, I have >> been experimenting with replacing it with custom GtkContainers and >> dropping Hippo completely seemed very doable. >> >> > Creating / adapting a magnifier service on Sugar for Orca. This may be >> > a fairly trivial port of gnome-mag (non-COMPOSITE edition), or it may be a >> > complete re-write >> >> I have no idea of what this entails, but as we have kept quite close >> to GNOME's architecture, I expect the fairly trivial port to suffice. >> >> > Porting Orca to Sugar. This may be fairly trivial, or it may involve a >> > new Sugar-style GUI, etc. >> >> Tried out Orca in Sugar and it was able to read windows titles, >> buttons labels, etc. What GUI would it have other than a configuration >> parameter for starting it automatically at startup? >> >> > Adding theme support go Sugar for vision impairments - things like a >> > large-print theme, and inverse theme, etc. >> >> The Uruguayan deployment has customized their builds in this direction >> but I believe they need help upstreaming it. >> >> > Ensure 100% keyboard operability of Sugar >> >> Hippo is also the roadblock here. >> >> > Tomeu - are there folks in sugar-devel who have cycles to work on these >> > things? >> >> No idea, I started this thread to find out :) >> >> Thanks a lot for the great insights! >> >> Tomeu >> >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > >> > Peter >> > >> > On 9/7/2010 12:49 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 20:15, Esteban Arias <ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy> >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > no, I tested with gnome desktop. >> > >> > >> > Ok, I can help you get in touch with the GNOME team that works on >> > accessibility if you want. They are very dedicated, friendly and >> > talented bunch. Collabora and other companies also provide services >> > related to accessibility and GNOME. >> > >> > But nobody else than us is going to fix accessibility in Sugar so >> > that's why I'm asking if anybody here has interest in working on this. >> > The first need is finding someone who can tell us what needs to be >> > improved in Sugar so it can be used by people with no or very low >> > vision. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Tomeu >> > >> > >> > >> > 2010/9/3 Tomeu Vizoso <to...@sugarlabs.org> >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 18:25, Esteban Arias <ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy> >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > xo-1.0 | F11 | Dextrose version | Gnome desktop | orca 2.26.3 >> > >> > If I set: "run at startup" >> > orca run correctly. >> > >> > >> > Hi Esteban, >> > >> > to clarify, you configure orca in some way so it runs when sugar >> > starts up and it reads what is on the screen? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Tomeu >> > >> > >> > >> > If I excecute "orca" from Terminal, shows error: >> > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/orca/mouse_review.py:189: Warning: >> > invalid >> > uninstantiatable type `(null)' in cast to `GdkDisplayX11' >> > self._mouseDwellTimeout(event.detail1, event.detail2) >> > >> > Displays Preferences dialog, but dont reads screen. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Esteban Arias. >> > >> > 2010/9/2 Tomeu Vizoso <to...@sugarlabs.org> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 14:51, Esteban Arias <ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy> >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > I install orca on xo 1.0 with gnome for f11. >> > If I config to start session with orca, runs ok. But if I execute >> > orca >> > from >> > terminal, dont run correctly: >> > >> > >> > Hi Esteban, >> > >> > could be that your email arrived to us incomplete? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Tomeu >> > >> > >> > >> > 2010/9/1 pbrobin...@gmail.com <pbrobin...@gmail.com> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <to...@sugarlabs.org> >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 14:10, Tomeu Vizoso <to...@sugarlabs.org> >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 14:08, Esteban Arias >> > <ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy> wrote: >> > >> > >> > hi, >> > we can colaborate with this proyect. >> > >> > >> > Excelent, have you tried already orca with Sugar? And with GNOME? >> > >> > >> > I would say that the next step is for someone who knows how orca >> > is >> > used to give it a try and file tickets for the biggest issues. Not >> > sure we can make much more until then. >> > >> > >> > The gnome guys mentioned this the other day and there's going to be >> > some more work done within gnome hopefully for F-14. So hopefully we >> > should be looking better for that release. >> > >> > Peter >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Esteban Arias >> > Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal >> > Avda. Italia 6201 >> > Montevideo - Uruguay. >> > Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228 >> > E-mail : ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Esteban Arias >> > Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal >> > Avda. Italia 6201 >> > Montevideo - Uruguay. >> > Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228 >> > E-mail : ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Esteban Arias >> > Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal >> > Avda. Italia 6201 >> > Montevideo - Uruguay. >> > Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228 >> > E-mail : ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > accessibility mailing list >> > accessibil...@lists.laptop.org >> > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/accessibility >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Peter Korn | Accessibility Principal >> > Phone: +1 650 5069522 >> > 500 Oracle Parkway | Redwood City, CA 94065 >> > Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help >> > protect the environment >> > _______________________________________________ >> > accessibility mailing list >> > accessibil...@lists.laptop.org >> > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/accessibility >> > > > > > -- > Esteban Arias > Investigación y Desarrollo - Centro Ceibal para el Apoyo a la Educación > de la Niñez y la Adolescencia - Plan Ceibal > Avda. 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