+1 PS: 50% of the ideas came from you and Ignacio :)
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Sam P. <sam.parkins...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > +1 > > I think there are some ways to improve hardware independence. Integrating > sugar with a display manager would make it work in many (traditional?) IT > situations where you have computers with networked student accounts. > > Over the ensuing years, we have also made efforts to reach out in > other ways, some more successful than others: Sugar has been ported to > virtually every major flavor of GNU/Linux. As a community, it has been > difficult to support all of those efforts, but some, such as Trisquel, > rival Fedora, where we still do our development, in terms of > stability. (We have lagged behind in our Ubuntu support; given its > popularity this has been a tactical mistake.) We also initiated the > Sugar on a Stick and Sugar in a virtual machine efforts, which opened > the door to getting a taste of Sugar on iOS and MS Windows platforms. > These products have matured and are well maintained. In anticipation > of the tablet bubble, we added touch support to Sugar; (it works, but > the good news is that most people serious about using tablets for > learning are also including keyboards these days.) Sugar also runs > nicely on Chromebooks, which are making some inroads into the > classroom. > > Yeah, ubuntu is a big issue! > > And, as Lionel mentioned, already three years ago we began in earnest > an effort to support Javascript as a first order language in Sugar so > as to both invite a broader community of developers in and being to > offer Sugar activities to users of web browsers and Android > (eventually iPhone) devices. Lionel has expanded upon that effort to > try to offer the whole Sugar experience, not just individual > activities. This work is on-going and is the focus of our proposal to > Google Summer of Code 2015. > > > Yeah this is a really awesome movement. Just throwing around another > opportunity idea, sugar activities are written in GTK, meaning it would be > possible to make sugar activities work inside GNOME (or other DEs) as > windows. Turtle does this, but it would be cool to expand this to a general > library (#GSOC?). > > TB becoming a spin out is a great way to widen sugar's reach. Tb is an > awesome "first step" towards coding, and export to python and stuff are > great features that help in a further intro to coding. > > And it is worth noting that 50% of the patches in the latest Sugar > release came from kids. > > Yeah, but did 50% of the ideas come from users? > > All of that said, our future is far from clear. OLPC and OLPC > deployments have been the largest source of funding, albeit erratic, > for Sugar development and maintenance. (We continue to get some > funding from Google, Trip Advisor, et al., but these $s are not > general funds for supporting developers and code maintenance.) It > seems that the OLPC well is running dry (We have a few proposals > circulating but none in hand at the moment.) We've gotten little > support from other hardware vendors, I believe in part because many of > them still see Sugar Labs as an extension of OLPC, with whom they were > competing. > > > Well why not do a needles ui/design change :). It would probably change > people's perception if we changed the xo icon or something (a la android 5) > and made ourselves less look connected to olpc. Not something to rush out > and do without thinking, not something that we should waste development time > on either, but an idea. > > So either Sugar Labs finds support for the core development team to > remain focused full-time on Sugar or we scale back our release cycle > to one that can be managed entirely by part-time volunteers. > > There are opportunities out there: for example, partnering with some > of the classroom management solutions; finding funding for specific > programs, such as Turtle Blocks, and finding more hardware partners. > Meanwhile, we also need to keep Sugar relevant. I take the long view > there, in that I think the core pedagogical ideas in Sugar are sound > and that over time we'll be better situated to get these ideas into > the hands of learners. (For example, Android is becoming more > Sugar-friendly as it evolves.) > > Some of the reflection ideas that OLPC AU was pushing seemed really great. > Hopefully they can get implemented. > > But I think whatever path we follow, consultation is the most important. > One issue OLPCs and sugarlabs seems to have is the lack of consultation with > students and teachers. It is great that we have some educational idea or > have read some paper about education that an 'expert' has written, however > we are making an OS for students and teachers. If the OS isn't helping > students or if it confuses teachers, then what good is it really doing? We > can load sugar with data collection tools and what not, but nothing replaces > talking to teachers, watching how they use sugar, and asking what they want > changed. > > In fact this is not unique to Sugar and OLPC. I am yet to use edutech at my > school that feels like it was built for and WITH schools. It feels locked > up and controlled by visual designers and corporate managers that don't know > the needs of schools. Though sugar is open source, that is probably how it > feels to those who can't code or change its source. > > I passionately believe that even if an edutech product can sell more copies > by targeting features to appeal to principals and other decision makers > instead of teachers, you can't improve anything that way. I feel there is a > huge opportunity for Sugar (or anyone else) to work with teachers and > students to enhance their learning. Having built the product with schools > could be the 'killer feature'. > > The Sugar Oversight Board agreed to host a summit on the future of > Sugar some time in the coming months. We've been doing some > preparatory work and hope to get something scheduled soon. > > > Great. I really hope you get a bunch of teachers and students (that use > sugar) who have never been involved in the development of sugar, and get > them to guide the thinking. > > We don't code sugar to enjoy running a software project, do we? Don't we > code sugar to make these people smile every time they open their laptops? > That's what I do :) > > Thanks, > Sam > > > Meanwhile, let's keep kicking around ideas here. > > regards. > > -walter > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Lionel Laské <lio...@olpc-france.org> > wrote: >> >> Hi Samuel, >> >> >> >> Thanks to share your vision. I think you're right, SugarLabs lack of a >> clear >> long-term vision that we could share with all contributors. Hope that your >> mail we'll give us opportunity to share our thought on that. >> >> Here's mine. >> >> >> >> If Sugar want live, it can't be limited to a niche platform: neither the >> XO, >> neither a Fedora computer. I'm sure we're all convinced that the better >> platform for education is a computer but today all others decision maker >> in >> the world seems to think that it's a tablet or even a mobile. >> >> >> >> So the question is how we could answer to requests for these new platforms >> thought keeping our roots: an unique UI for children, a reflection tool >> (Journal), a collaborative platform (Presence) and the most important - >> free >> an open source contents. >> >> >> >> My point of view is that we must not invest time to think how we could be >> compliant with a new platform, we need to think in another way: how we >> could >> port Sugar on Any platform ? Any computer (from the bigger one to the tiny >> one: raspberryPI), any laptop, any tablet, any mobile. >> >> >> >> And the answer is simple: web technologies allow every device to run very >> complex software. It's the only solution to be compliant with any device. >> It's where we need to put our investments. >> >> >> >> It's why I've got a personal engagement on Sugar for the Web from years: >> >> First to allow Sugar activities to be written using web technologies. From >> Sugar 0.100 thanks to Sugar Web, every developer could write new Sugar >> activities using exclusively HTML5/JavaScript - without any line of >> Python/Gtk. >> Second to create a Sugar container for the web - named Sugarizer - that >> could host any Sugar Web activities and that reproduce the unique Sugar >> features: Sugar UI, Journal and Presence. >> >> >> >> Sugar for the Web is not the Sugar successor, Sugar for the Web is a way >> to >> do a transition from Sugar for the XO to an universal version of Sugar >> that >> could run on any device so that could be used by any children anywhere on >> the world. >> >> Most important with Sugar for the Web we don't leave alone our current >> base >> of Sugar users, with Sugar 0.100+: any new Sugar Web activities will be >> usable both on Sugar on "old" devices and Sugar on new devices. >> >> >> >> With Sugarizer and Sugar Web, Sugar for any device already exist. But to >> become a reality, we need to invest more on it: >> >> Have a clear roadmap of transition between "old" Sugar activities to Sugar >> Web activities. >> Convince a more important community to join us. Sugar is the better >> learning >> platform, with Sugar for the Web, it should be easy to convince other >> communities to help us. I think specifically to Mozilla because they have >> a >> clear engagement on web and open source and Google because of their wish >> to >> embrace education with Chrome. We need to ask help from them. >> Experiment: we need to start deployment as soon as possible to >> demonstrate. >> At OLPC France, we've got ambition to start a first experimental >> deployment >> of Sugarizer before the end of the year. >> >> >> >> All of us spent years on promoting the Sugar philosophy. We have the >> choice >> to look backward or look forward. My choice is clear: with Sugar for the >> Web >> I will give to every children the same opportunities I gave to XO users. >> >> >> Best regards from France. >> >> >> Lionel. >> >> >> >>> >>> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:36:34 -0500 >>> From: Samuel Greenfeld <sam...@greenfeld.org> >>> To: IAEP SugarLabs <i...@lists.sugarlabs.org> >>> Subject: [IAEP] Planning for the future >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <CA+cAqjM7=hqou47mhmr9aqtnbzkrmjdb00nxbzennbo+1wk...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Disclaimer: The following are my views, and not the views of my current >>> or >>> past employers. >>> >>> About a year ago, I privately expressed concern that Sugar needed to >>> ensure >>> it had long-term sponsorship and a long-term user base. >>> >>> Since then, both the historical US-based OLPC organization and Sugar Labs >>> have not publicly said much about their long-term plans, with OLPC also >>> being rather closemouthed about the present. >>> >>> Meanwhile contributors silently leave. It is hard to justify >>> volunteering >>> when you don't know who will benefit besides mysterious "customers." >>> >>> Everyone seems happy to cite their past successes. No one corrects the >>> press when they report stale information in their favor. >>> >>> >>> There is no shame in being a smaller project. But we need to ask the >>> hard >>> questions. With Sugar, getting users and developers for a niche platform >>> is a problem. With OLPC, everyone seems to love repeating the 2 or 2.5 >>> million number for laptops historically shipped. Rarely is it asked how >>> many XOs been shipped in the past year or are in active use & where. >>> >>> Sugar & OLPC need to come up with long-term strategies. While there is >>> nothing public I have seen stopping One Education's XO Infinity from >>> running Sugar, I haven't seen anything stopping it from running anything >>> else. It is also unclear how much One Education is willing to engage >>> with >>> the historical Sugar & OLPC communities (or how much they can tell us at >>> this time). >>> >>> >>> Historically there have been many philosophical questions like "Does >>> there >>> need to be a physical machine?" and "Have we succeeded if every child has >>> a >>> computer, but from someone else?" >>> >>> I do not believe Sugar or OLPC is down for the count. But in order to >>> engage One Education, governments, and other educational groups, both >>> Sugar >>> and the historical OLPC structure need to have plans to transition to the >>> future. Otherwise these plans will be written for us. >>> >>> I suspect I know how things will end; but I wish it was not happening >>> though silence. >>> >>> --- >>> SJG >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> >>> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20150223/bc9915cb/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 02:31:23 -0300 >>> From: Gonzalo Odiard <godi...@sugarlabs.org> >>> To: Sora Edwards-Thro <s...@unleashkids.org> >>> Cc: Chris Leonard <c...@sugarlabs.org>, grassroots >>> <grassro...@lists.laptop.org>, olpc-open >>> <olpc-o...@lists.laptop.org>, >>> Aaron Borden <adbor...@live.com>, olpc-sf >>> <olpc...@lists.laptop.org>, >>> iaep <i...@lists.sugarlabs.org>, Nick Doiron >>> <ndoi...@mapmeld.com> >>> Subject: Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF February meeting >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <CAJ+iPVSKb3puCeQc57Kc3TUA4Df1=akvtwdpt0abj-aqruh...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Only a English version is available right now. >>> >>> There are another activity with a older version in French, but the last >>> version is from 2009 >>> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4195 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro >>> <s...@unleashkids.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Gonzalo, if a French translation exists and it's easy to include both >>> > it >>> > and the English translations when making the templates, that would be >>> > great. But if there's only room for one language, please have it be >>> > English. >>> > >>> > Thanks! >>> > >>> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Gonzalo Odiard <godi...@sugarlabs.org> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Thanks Nick. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Nick Doiron <ndoi...@mapmeld.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> I believe the official language code is HT >>> >>> On Feb 23, 2015 9:09 AM, "Gonzalo Odiard" <godi...@sugarlabs.org> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I can create the templates to do the translation and sent to you. >>> >>>> Or I can upload and you can translate them online. >>> >>>> The process is a little different than with the pottle server used >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> translate activities, >>> >>>> but the idea is the same. >>> >>>> I need the localization code you are using to Haitian Creole >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Gonzalo >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro < >>> >>>> s...@unleashkids.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> Good to see it's been updated! I look forward to checking it out to >>> >>>>> see what content we're using in Haiti that it's missing. We've been >>> >>>>> using >>> >>>>> our customized course guide >>> >>>>> <http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Haiti_Course_Guide> to help teachers >>> >>>>> design lesson plans, but materials that provide a basic overview of >>> >>>>> the >>> >>>>> activities themselves would also be helpful. How would I go about >>> >>>>> helping >>> >>>>> with translation efforts into Haitian Creole? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Gonzalo Odiard >>> >>>>> <godi...@sugarlabs.org >>> >>>>> > wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> A little unrelated, but could be useful. The new version of Help >>> >>>>>> activity added information about more activities, >>> >>>>>> including many you named. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4051 >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Help activity content can be translated if you or other are >>> >>>>>> interested. >>> >>>>>> Actual content is based in the work of many volunteersin this >>> >>>>>> list, >>> >>>>>> and more content can be easily added. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Gonzalo >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro < >>> >>>>>> s...@unleashkids.org> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Thanks for passing that on, Gonzalo! (note to self: when >>> >>>>>>> embarking >>> >>>>>>> on a project, first go to Sugar Labs and search >>> >>>>>>> extremely-relevant >>> >>>>>>> terms >>> >>>>>>> like "Story" instead of just assuming the stuff you've seen / >>> >>>>>>> used >>> >>>>>>> before >>> >>>>>>> is the only stuff that exists). >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> I like the open-endedness of Story. It also looks like it might >>> >>>>>>> not >>> >>>>>>> be hard to modify the images it's using - kids could nominate >>> >>>>>>> different >>> >>>>>>> pictures, or you could take examples from stories the class had >>> >>>>>>> read. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Gonzalo Odiard < >>> >>>>>>> godi...@sugarlabs.org> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> You can add Story >>> >>>>>>>> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4565 >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Sora Edwards-Thro < >>> >>>>>>>> s...@unleashkids.org> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> We're looking for programming help on student writing software; >>> >>>>>>>>> hope some OLPC SF folks can become involved! I'm over on the >>> >>>>>>>>> East Coast, >>> >>>>>>>>> but I can join in over Skype / respond to questions via email >>> >>>>>>>>> if >>> >>>>>>>>> folks are >>> >>>>>>>>> interested. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Here are some more details: >>> >>>>>>>>> Unleash Kids recently received recognition >>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.unleashkids.org/blog/> for our iloominate >>> >>>>>>>>> <http://iloominate-haiti.herokuapp.com/edit> app (shout-out to >>> >>>>>>>>> Caryl Bigenho for her input and Mike Dawson, whose Ustad Mobile >>> >>>>>>>>> project was >>> >>>>>>>>> also recognized). The app helps teachers write books >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> <https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/lascahobas-workshops-final-review/> >>> >>>>>>>>> for beginning readers by recommending easy words; now we're >>> >>>>>>>>> shifting our >>> >>>>>>>>> focus to supporting student writers. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> There are already several excellent writing activities for the >>> >>>>>>>>> Sugar, which we're including as we design lessons for a summer >>> >>>>>>>>> writing >>> >>>>>>>>> workshop for our XO projects in Haiti: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> -Labyrinth >>> >>>>>>>>> <http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4078>, a >>> >>>>>>>>> mindmapping activity that gets kids thinking >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.unleashkids.org/2013/07/31/story-activity-continued-and-the-results/> >>> >>>>>>>>> about how to lay out their ideas on paper >>> >>>>>>>>> -Fototoon >>> >>>>>>>>> <http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4253>, >>> >>>>>>>>> comic-book style creations; a perpetual favorite >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> <https://projectrive.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/first-week-of-classes/> >>> >>>>>>>>> -Newspaper <http://seeta.in/j/products/37.html>, an example of >>> >>>>>>>>> how templates can enable kids >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> <http://blog.unleashkids.org/2013/08/01/journal-mission-of-hope/> >>> >>>>>>>>> to explore new formats >>> >>>>>>>>> -Prompt >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> <http://olpc-yokwe.tumblr.com/post/39897602954/prompt-activity>, >>> >>>>>>>>> literally just presents students with a random image from a >>> >>>>>>>>> library for >>> >>>>>>>>> them to write about...proof that simple stuff can be powerful >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> We want to supplement these great activities with some new >>> >>>>>>>>> stuff, >>> >>>>>>>>> based on teacher recommendations. A lot of the focus will be on >>> >>>>>>>>> creating >>> >>>>>>>>> templates and scenarios that kids can use as inspiration - for >>> >>>>>>>>> example, we >>> >>>>>>>>> can present the kids with a scene of people talking, where the >>> >>>>>>>>> speech >>> >>>>>>>>> bubbles aren't filled in, and ask them to fill in the speech >>> >>>>>>>>> bubbles. >>> >>>>>>>>> That's one of many ideas for an effective tool. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> We also hope to make use of the XSCE schoolserver installed >>> >>>>>>>>> on-site to enable the kids to collaborate and share the >>> >>>>>>>>> finished >>> >>>>>>>>> products >>> >>>>>>>>> with one another. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Our most dire need is help with the programming, but we also >>> >>>>>>>>> welcome input on any and all aspects. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you everyone! >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sora Edwards-Thro >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Aaron Borden >>> >>>>>>>>> <adbor...@live.com> >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> OLPC San Francisco will be hosting our monthly meeting >>> >>>>>>>>>> Saturday, >>> >>>>>>>>>> February 14th, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, >>> >>>>>>>>>> 835 >>> >>>>>>>>>> Market >>> >>>>>>>>>> Street, Room 597 (the fishbowl). >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Our meetings are held on the second Saturday of every month. >>> >>>>>>>>>> Everyone is >>> >>>>>>>>>> welcome to join us for our monthly meeting! We'll be >>> >>>>>>>>>> discussing >>> >>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>> latest in OLPC events and give updates on our local (and >>> >>>>>>>>>> global) >>> >>>>>>>>>> projects. There will be plenty of XO laptops with the latest >>> >>>>>>>>>> builds to >>> >>>>>>>>>> play around with, too. Please post with any additional agenda >>> >>>>>>>>>> items. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/325843320953044/ >>> >>>>>>>>>> Google+ >>> >>>>>>>>>> https://plus.google.com/events/crf7g4e84aag78ssn761danaj8s >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>> Aaron Borden >>> >>>>>>>>>> Human and Hacker >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> >>>>>>>>>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> >>>>>>>>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>> Gonzalo Odiard >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> SugarLabs - Software for children learning >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> Gonzalo Odiard >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> SugarLabs - Software for children learning >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Gonzalo Odiard >>> >>>> >>> >>>> SugarLabs - Software for children learning >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> >>>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> >>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> >>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Gonzalo Odiard >>> >> >>> >> SugarLabs - Software for children learning >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gonzalo Odiard >>> >>> SugarLabs - Software for children learning >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> >>> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/attachments/20150224/46e24159/attachment.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >>> End of IAEP Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17 >>> ************************************ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel