Hi Sebastian, 2016-04-07 16:19 GMT+02:00 <sugar-devel-requ...@lists.sugarlabs.org>:
> > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:15:06 -0500 > From: Sebastian Silva <sebast...@fuentelibre.org> > To: Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com>, Tony Anderson > <tony_ander...@usa.net> > Cc: sugar-devel <sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: > The future of Sugar on XO-1s) > Message-ID: <57066b6a.6020...@fuentelibre.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I had a real interesting experience rooting my daugther's Fire Kids > Edition that grandma gave for her bday. > I rooted it once. But there was a program to auto update it and then it > had an android 5 further locked down device. Found another root hack out > of it and made sure to stop and completely remove the autoupdater. Most > of this process had to be done offline otherwise the tablet would > download updates and reboot locked. > We removed all of the Amazon apps and installed only free software, > including camera, gallery, file browser and home shell. There are nice > android educational apps from f-droid (the only library/app store we > have installed). The problem with Sugarizer as a shell is that it can > only run sugarizer Activities (Sugar Web Activities) and not the Android > apps. These activities are very limited on a first experience. > > You're right, running Android app from Sugarizer is a must have. It's why I've imagined with Michaël the "Sugarizer OS" [1] project that hopefully we'll could do during GSoC. Sugarizer OS will take the place of the Google/Amazon Launcher so users will be able to launch both Sugarizer and Android application. I'm specifically interested by Android version of GCompris and Scratch JR. > I'll try to file bugs as I observe the children play with paint for > instance (which lacks very important undo functionality for instance). > Mariana made a square and a house in TurtleJS but then it crashed. It > seems to do that often and she has not figured out the Journal yet which > is very well hidden. > > What Sugarizer version are you using ? Sugarizer Paint include an Undo feature, see here [2]. Lionel. [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2016#Sugarizer [2] http://server.sugarizer.org > > El 07/04/16 a las 08:03, Dave Crossland escribió: > > Hi Tony > > > > Don't get me wrong, what I am excited about is being able to buy up > > Amazon's subsidised hardware and rip out their Android distro and put > > in a clean one. I'm not sure about putting in a GNU/Linux, a clean > > Android/Linux distro seems more likely to go smoothly. > > > > As I understood them, there were some GSOC proposals for making > > Sugarizer into an Android shell, that would be make this strategy even > > more viable. > > > > > > On 6 April 2016 at 23:46, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net > > <mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote: > > > > Actually not. The problem is that I really believe the deployed > > system needs to be free, meaning the deployment needs to pay no > > subscription fees or royalties to continue to use the device. > > Microsoft (and other vendors) suffer from the buy once model. All > > of them are trying to find a way to get a stable revenue stream as > > the telecoms do. Technically, the 'cloud' is a sham. There is no > > way to provide a computer which is 50 times faster than the one in > > your hand. So having users execute code on a server is a > > non-starter. HTML is ok because the work is done on the client. > > Cloud storage is ok because the server action is as a file server, > > low processor overhead. Formatting Word documents on a server is > > not economical - unless that is your source of revenue. > > > > Durability yes, but the price premium is 2x. There will (and > > probably are) a plethora of 'head start' computers with such > > packages. However, with Sugar and a school server, we already put > > them to shame. > > > > Tony > > > > > > On 04/07/2016 11:24 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> > >> On 6 April 2016 at 20:49, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net > >> <mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>> wrote: > >> > >> Our need is a deployable device - one that can be purchased > >> in quantities of 30+. > >> If we develop a technique to install Sugar on such a device, > >> that can be done for all of them at > >> the time of deployment. So, if anyone can find a suitable > >> tablet with a manageable price (less than $100) > >> and can install Sugar on it from a usb drive - it would be a > >> boon. > >> > >> > >> :D > >> > >> > >> Sora Edwards-Thro is planning a deployment with the $50 > >> Kindle Fire (an Android derivative). Her intent > >> is to use Sugarizer. I would recommend adding the GCompris > >> Android version. What she really needs is > >> a Sugarized version of the WriteBook activity. So far, no one > >> has stepped up to take that on. Naturally, the strategic > >> interest is how well the Kindle supports learning. > >> > >> > >> Fascinating! > >> > >> I see > >> > http://gizmodo.com/amazons-50-fire-tablet-is-the-impulse-buy-that-never-e-1731275123 > >> from 2015-09-17: > >> > >> > >> If what you’re really looking for is durability, though, the > >> $100 Fire Kids Edition is the one you probably want. Big, > >> lifeproof rubber bumper, a 2-year no-questions-asked > >> replacement policy, a kid-friendly web browser you can turn > >> off or add whitelisted sites to, and 10,000 pre-approved > >> titles for junior to safely watch. > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> <mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org> > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > <mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org> > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cheers > > Dave > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/attachments/20160407/5643151e/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 90, Issue 43 > ******************************************* >
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