Hi, Sebastian

The Journal is saved in regular files. There are two files available from the datastore class: metadata and an (optional) data-file. Manash Raja's remotejournal already creates these files using datastore. I think a part of the problem is trying to describe a problem from a Sugar developer's perspective which brings in such extraneous notions as 'ping', 'extended attributes', and git. A class is intended to hide these implentation details.

Tony

On 05/26/2016 01:56 AM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:

The one problem with extended attributes is that almost everything touching and/or archiving the files needs to be aware of them. Some utilities may lack this functionality, and others have to be told to actively back these up.

By means of example, XO laptops have to work around the fact that the ping command in Fedora gets the permissions it needs via extended attributes for the past several years. The XO imaging solution is not extended attribute aware, and at the time it was developed ping was still commonly set setuid root.

On May 22, 2016 9:52 AM, "Sebastian Silva" <sebast...@fuentelibre.org <mailto:sebast...@fuentelibre.org>> wrote:

    Hi Utkarsh,

    Perhaps this is an area for improvement in Sugar. The journal
    datastore was designed to be more than it is now (see the git
    backend discussion).

    I always found very silly how Sugar tries very hard to hide files
    (even from the command line) when, in fact, it stores journal
    objects as files.

    It should be relatively simple to modify the Journal to save its
    objects as regular files, and store the metadata in "filesystem
    extended attributes"  (please look that up). I believe this would
    relieve a lot of confusion (in the ground) around the journal
    (like you are having). Perhaps Tony and the community can be
    convinced this is a good idea to implement.

    Please read in detail the Sugar Human Interface Guidelines, which
    describe the Sugar design in detail. Also read James Simmons
    Make-Your-Own-Sugar-Activities which describes a good attempt to
    make sense of the implementation from a Sugar Activity developer
    perspective.

    With regards to the Documents directory, /use the source, /look up
    in the journal code exactly how it decides. A good, standards
    compliant implementation would use the result of the `xdg-user-dir
    DOCUMENTS` command. Are you using system Sugar packages or
    sugar-build? sugar-build probably overrides this.

    Regards,
    Sebastian

    El 22/05/16 a las 05:55, Tony Anderson escribió:
    Hi, Utkarsh

    I may not be able to help. I am testing on an XO. However, the
    object is not to use direct paths which may vary between SOAS and
    Sugar on an XO.

    Documents should be ~/Documents.
    Journal objects are stored in ~/.sugar/default/datastore.
    However, if you only reference the datastore with the datastore
    class -that shouldn't be important.

    So you can write them with datastore to the Journal. For
    Documents, I use ~/Documents but there is a way to change the
    'mount' in the datastore to use the
    Documents folder (or to use a USB key).

    Tony

    On 05/22/2016 12:27 PM, Ütkarsh Tiwari wrote:
    Hi,
         I am unable to find the location where the sugar-build
    stores the
    Documents and Journal objects. I would also like to know how to
    copy
    the external files (.html, .txt, .png, .zip files - outside
    sugar-build) to Journal or Documents.

    P.S- I am on Ubuntu 15.04

    Thanks,
    Utkarsh Tiwari
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