Dear Div,

do you have an idea why this is not possible? I have always thought that 
reversing the direction of a runway is just a matter of different routing of my 
airplanes. I have never tried that in practice, though.

Jan

On Mon, 13 May 2024, at 12:00 PM, The div via sumo-user wrote:
> One more caveat wrt change of runway direction:
> Heathrow for example uses one runway for landing, one for takeoff and 
> switches these round in the middle of the day. This can be handled easily by 
> using different routes. However I found that change of direction from eg 27R 
> to 09L, because the wind direction has changed, could only be modelled by use 
> of different network files. This is because different exits/entries/ taxiways 
> come into play. Whilst being very specific about routes could handle this it 
> offers no real 'modelling' 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> On 13 May 2024, 10:39, The div via sumo-user < sumo-user@eclipse.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > Hi, I have question about the new vClasses "aircraft".
>> Are there plans to add air traffic? Or what it is generally good for? 
>> 
>> I've used sumo to model airports and some drone activities (just out of 
>> interest) - my observations:
>> a) Modelling airport ground movements and multi-modal traffic (passenger, 
>> bus, rail, cargo, catering, etc) works well today, with the caveat that 
>> aircraft tug/pushback behaviour isn't really practical - you can do it at 
>> airports with small numbers of stands but at larger airports it's just too 
>> messy. 
>> 
>> b) if you're not using traci to behave as ground control/tower control 
>> modelling spaced takeoff/landing needs some fudging and won't be correct. 
>> 
>> c)it works because in larger airfields ground movements of all traffic, 
>> including aircraft, follow strict routes, even across the apron - so you can 
>> set up roads/railways mapping these routes. Modelling smaller fields with 
>> free movement across the apron won't work. 
>> 
>> d) passenger loading/unloading times on transit buses/tube lines/aircraft 
>> has to be set to unrealistic values because load/unload is at a single 
>> point. I haven't yet tried the doors features of v20 that may fix this. 
>> 
>> e) I looked at airway modelling and decided it wasn't really sensible/could 
>> not envisage a use case that would model anything that excel wouldn't:
>> i) distances are huge relative to road distances - meaning you have a long 
>> duration simulation for a single vehicle travelling hundreds of miles
>> ii) airway transit is about changing flight level - you need to handle this 
>> to get climb/descent timings right
>> iii) using the gui, even just to check behaviour, simply doesn't work on 
>> this scale.
>> 
>> f) if you assume that eventually drones will be subject to similar airway 
>> restrictions as aircraft to avoid collisions then it should be feasible to 
>> model them using sumo vehicles - because the range of 'flight levels' 
>> available and distances travelled will be relatively small. 
>> 
>> g) if you assume that drone traffic will be uncontrolled and reliant on 
>> collision avoidance, then using sumo vehicles won't be practical because 
>> drones will try to travel in straight lines between launch and destination. 
>> (ie there won't be a road network) 
>> 
>> h) I have had reasonable success modelling this latter style of drone 
>> behaviour using a sumo poi to model a drone and traci to manage flight. 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Div
>> 
>> 
>> 
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