Tony and Fernando, Of course you are both eminently right. And I am sufficiently culturally aware to recognise this. I have also travelled extensively in Latin America (where I met only courtesy, gentle laughter and kindness as the response to my rather pathertic Spanish).
But it still remains a cultural problem. It is NOT an issue of intelligence. Time and again, when I ask foreign students if they understand they say "Yes", but when I ask them to explain it, they can't. In these cases, "yes" obviously means "I have seen your lips move." Merely repeating the same explanations doesn't help, neither does the old English habit of saying it more slowly and louder. So I work around it with these students and try to find the links that will help them. Frequently part of the trouble is the culture of the GOD-PROFESSOR that is so common in many cultures. My ex-wife was educated in this in Argentina many years ago, and it took her a long time to come to grips with university education in Australia where she could and was frequently expected to question / challenge the lecturer. BUT, and this is important, I teach large numbers of Australian students who are so bloody passive that they drive me to distraction. I am sure that if I came in one day and dropped my pants, they still would not react! The sadness here is that they should have no excuse for not being able to cope with my accent, or my rather extrovert style or the social difference between Australia and some other country. But in every class I get a very few who make it all fun. Questioning, demanding clarification, objecting to my more outlandish outbursts, stimulating. Great students. Unlike some of my colleagues (NOT in my school!), I don't regard the cultural issues as an imposition or waste of time. Challenge, yes. Rewarding, very! I remember some postings about the repulsive person who flamed Fernando. As I recall, he/she didn't like your English. GET A LIFE!!! The fact that you can discuss the astronomy of sundials in another language is huge reason for congratulation, not derision and insult. I can read scientific Spanish moderately, but I can't cope with a newspaper. I certainly could NOT cope with a Spanish sundial list! Oh well, way off topic now. But I felt that I had to go on a bit in case I was labelled a racist pig (not all Australians try to emulate our Prime Minister!) Cheers John, after watching a glorious sunrise. Makes it all worthwhile. Dr John Pickard Senior Lecturer, Environmental Planning Graduate School of the Environment Macquarie University, NSW 2109 Australia Phone + 61 2 9850 7981 (work) + 61 2 9482 8647 (home) Fax + 61 2 9850 7972 (work)