Hi Allan,

Yes there is.
The old Roman surveyors used 3 shadowpoints of a vertical (pin) gnomon to
find the east-west line, thus also the nort-south line is known.
It is even possible to construct a sundial on any flat plane with only the
knowledge of these 3 shadowpoints.
It isn't necessay to know the latitude or the orientation of the plane.
I wrote an article (in Dutch ) about this method in the bulletin of De
Zonnewijzerkring, nr. 4, 1999.
This article is based on a publication in French on the Internet by Yvon
Massé.
http://www.union-fin.fr/usr/ymasse
Title: Comment tracer un cadran solaire incliné et declinant a l'aide de
trois observations d'ombres inégales.

Best wishes, Fer.

Fer J. de Vries
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.iae.nl/users/ferdv/
Eindhoven, Netherlands
lat.  51:30 N      long.  5:30 E


----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Pratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Sundial Mailing List <sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de>
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 5:34 AM
Subject: Meridian Line Question


> Hello,
> All dialists know, I'm sure, of the verical-stick, strike and arc,
> bisect the angle method of determining a north-south line.
>
> But is there any other method of doing so which does not require some
> additional data, like date, time, or something similar? Or is this the
> only known way of doing so without external data?
>
> Al Pratt
>

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