<x-charset ISO646-US>David Lawrence? original question confuses me a little. I 
am not Muslim, but I have done a lot of research on this subject as it relates 
to astrolabes. I thought some readers of this list might find some details of 
the subject interesting.

Five daily prayers are required of all devout Muslims. The times of the prayers 
are all astronomically defined. The subh (morning) prayer time, also called the 
fajr (dawn) prayer time, begins at the beginning of morning twilight and 
continues to sunrise. The zuhr prayer time begins after local noon, when the 
sun has passed the local meridian. Various values were used to determine this 
time but one that prevailed in many areas was defined by the time when the 
shadow of a vertical gnomon had increased to one-fourth the length of the 
gnomon over the noon shadow. The mid-afternoon asr  prayer has two possible 
starting times, one early and one late. The choice of which definition to use 
depends on local preferences. The Shafi  legal school (madhab) specifies the 
early asr  prayer time to start when the shadow cast by a vertical gnomon is 
equal to the shadow length at noon plus the length of the gnomon. The prayer 
time ends when the shadow increase has reached twice the length of !
 the gnomon. The Hanafi madhab specifies the late start when the shadow length 
is the noon length plus twice the length of the stick and ends at sunset. The 
maghrib prayer time starts at sunset when the sun has completely disappeared 
below the horizon. The ish? prayer time starts at the end of evening twilight. 
and ends at dawn. Several definitions of twilight were used, mostly in terms of 
the angle of the sun below the horizon with 18 degrees being widely used. The 
literature on this subject is vast.

Quoting from King,

?The Ka`ba is a shrine of uncertain historical origin which served as a 
sanctuary and center of pilgrimage for the Arabs for centuries before the 
advent of Islam. It was adopted by the Prophet Muhammand as the focal point of 
the new religion, and the Koran advocates prayer towards it. For Muslims it is 
a physical pointer to the presence of God. Thus, since the early seventh 
century Muslims have faced the Sacred Ka`ba in Mecca during their prayers. 
Mosques are built with the prayer-wall facing the Ka`ba, the direction being 
indicated by a mihrab or prayer-niche. In addition, certain ritual acts such as 
reciting the Koran, announcing the call to prayer, and slaughtering animals for 
food, are to be performed facing the Ka`ba. Also Muslim graves and tombs were 
laid out so the body would lie on its side and face the Ka`ba. (Modern burial 
practice is slightly different but still Ka`ba-oriented.) Thus the direction of 
the Ka`ba ? called qibla in Arabic and all other languages of th!
 e Islamic commonwealth ? is of prime importance in the life of every Muslim.?

Due to its importance, methods for determining the qibla received serious 
attention from some of the most famous Muslim scientists including al-Khw?rizm? 
(780-850), al-Batt?ni (858-929), Ab? al-W?fa al-B?zj?n? (940-997), Ibn 
al-Haitham (965-1040), al-B?r?n? (973-1048) and al-T?s? (1201-1274) and others.

The qibla was DEFINED as the direction to the Ka`ba from a locality along the 
great circle on the terrestrial sphere passing through both places. Approximate 
methods for determining the qibla were developed in the 7th century, and exact 
methods were developed by the 9th century. Observations were conducted to 
determine the exact coordinates of Mecca and other cities in order to compute 
the qibla accurately. In fact, qibla determination inspired much of the 
activity of early Muslim geographers. The coordinates of the Ka`ba are 21d 25' 
24" N, 39d 49' 24" E. Of course, the latitude and longitude in this form was 
not used in medieval times since standards of longitude were not accepted until 
the late 19th century. Rather, the difference in longitude from a given place 
and Mecca was used.

The subject of qibla determination has become somewhat more complicated and 
controversial within the Muslim community in modern times because Muslims now 
live all over the world and the great circle definition produces results that 
are not as intuitive as other methods, such as rhumb lines. This was not a 
problem when most Muslims lived in the same hemisphere.  It should also be 
noted that old customs did not always adhere to the official definitions.  For 
example, some mosques in Egypt are oriented to the east, as required, but other 
mosques in other places used the same orientation.  Apparently, the builders 
were not aware of the needed change in orientation.  Quibla tables are 
available today for any location in the world.

There are several accepted methods for determining the qibla based on both 
observation and calculation. Observational methods include observing the 
azimuth of the sun when it is directly above the Ka?ba, which occurs on 
approximately May 28 (Gemini 8d) and July 16 (Cancer 23d) at local noon in 
Mecca. The local apparent time when this event occurs can be calculated from 
the difference in longitude of the place and Mecca. The qibla can then be noted 
from the shadow of a vertical gnomon at this instant. This method cannot be 
used at a great circle distance from Mecca greater than 90d.

Most commonly, the qibla is now calculated using equations from modern 
spherical trigonometry.  The qibla from Belfast (54 37 N, 5 56W) is about 128 d 
53? east of north using this method.

It should be noted that there is no ?right? or ?wrong? way to approach this 
subject.  There are many local customs practiced by Muslims and individuals or 
small groups can be deeply committed to their traditions.  However, this being 
said, some traditions adopted in the Middle East do not transfer very well to 
farther northern locations or locations far from Mecca.  This may be the case 
here since the sun never reaches the requested positions in Northern Ireland.  
Similar problems occur when relying on the sun?s azimuth to determine the qibla.

As noted by other contributors, there are sundials used for finding the times 
and direction of prayers that still exist.  For example, there is a rather 
sophisticated vertical dial in Tunisia.  Anyone interested in the details 
should refer to the publications of David A. King.  Oddly, only one gnomon used 
for prayer purposes still exists (in Yemen).

Best regards,

Jim



James E. Morrison
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Astrolabe web site at astrolabes.org

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