I'm translating an early 17th-century italian text describing a social event at Rome that took place in the evening and lasted "into the seventh hour of the night." i'm taking this to mean that it lasted seven hours after sunset. this makes sense to me because, among other reasons, "italian hours" (as on a sundial, if i understand this correctly) measure the progress of the day in numbered hours beginning at sunset. does anyone have a better interpretation? thanks. -jml -- Jim Lattis [EMAIL PROTECTED] "What's so amazing that Director, UW Space Place voice: 608-263-0360 keeps us stargazing, and U. of Wisconsin-Madison fax: 608-263-0361 what do we think we might http://www.sal.wisc.edu/~lattis see?" -Kermit t. Frog