Hi Doug,

Are you also visiting Beijing? If not you should at least do an internet 
tour of sundials in China, specifically Beijing. Two items of interest in 
Beijing are the equatorial dial in the Forbidden City and the Beijing 
ancient observatory. There are many pictures of the equatorial dial. The 
background of the ancient observatory is much more interesting. This 
observatory was started about 1441 with the Ming Dynasty. The images of the 
western style instruments are very familiar. These include: an armillary 
sphere, an azimuth theodolite, a celestial globe, a quadrant, a sextant and 
a theodolite. The Jesuits transplanted these western astronomical 
instruments to China in the early 1600's. These instruments very similar to 
those used by Tyco Brahe. It is interesting that this was already ancient 
technology when it was transferred. These were the instruments used before 
the Copernican revolution and the telescopic observations of Galileo. It was 
the astronomy of Ptolemy and Aristotle and the Pope. The earth was at the 
center of the universe and the sun moved, rising and setting each day.

The Chinese did not see the need this inoculation the western science of the 
universe according to the Jesuits. They had armillary spheres hundreds of 
years before, probably based based on the detailed instructions in Ptolemy. 
Book 5 "On the construction of the astrolabe", or their independent 
discovery of this classical geocentric model of the universe. The Chinese 
astronomer Zhang Heng even built a hydraulically powered rotating armillary 
sphere in the 2nd century AD. See 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armillary_sphere

The Chinese looked at the western instruments and mechanical clocks as 
interesting toys but they revealed nothing that wasn't already known in the 
"Celestial Empire". They saw no need to trade with the west or to adopt 
their religions. This was later forced on them during the opium wars by the 
British thirst for tea. How could Britain insist on pushing drugs to trade 
for tea. Unfortunately this is the history of Hong Kong. Things have not 
changed. They continue to have much more to sell to us than we can sell to 
them.

Enjoy your trip. I certainly did  when I was there 15 years ago. This was an 
significant cultural awakening for me. Travel can be an enlightening 
experience. An interest in sundials has often taken me past the regular 
tourist routes and encouraged a different level of exploration.

Regards,
Roger Bailey
www.walkingshadow.info

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From: "Douglas Bateman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:11 AM
Subject: Sundials in Hong Kong?


>I am to visit Hong Kong next week for a 6 days and will naturally look
> out for sundials.
>
> I know of one already - a bronze armillary by Joanna Migdal at the
> Royal Hong Kong Golf Club in 1989.
>
> I would be grateful if anyone could let me know of other dials.
>
> Regards, Doug
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