*Dear Mr Hendrik Hollander,*
* *
* May I refer you to a few discussion we had in this regard a few months
back, as follows; I will report to you all the follow-ups I made later on in
this regard, however, without any feedback, so far:*
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Self-Motivated Contest for Building a Gargantuan-Sundial
Monument (Edley McKnight)
2. RE: Self-Motivated Contest for Building a Gargantuan-Sundial
Monument (Robert Terwilliger)
3. RE: Self-Motivated Contest for Building a Gargantuan-Sundial
Monument (Robert Terwilliger)
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:30:27 -0700
From: "Edley McKnight" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Self-Motivated Contest for Building a Gargantuan-Sundial
Monument
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Hi All,
Instead of requiring an architect, all complexes of building, indeed, all
outdoor scenes involve shadows that can be fairly easily incorporated into
solar time keeping purposes.? Some of this can be just fun and perhaps
temporary, but some could incorporate permanent markings.
The basis for this could easily be obtained by placing a camera with timed
exposures in a window.? The resultant samples of shadows can be fairly
easily observed and analyzed.? The results can be used as simply using dry
erase markers on the window itself.? One color for positioning the eye by
marking fixed edges and points in the scene. Another color for marking the
hour lines of various available shadows.? A temporary setup for a few days
could be made from just the one series of pics without extensive
calculation.
By calculating angles, perhaps measuring or reading about known hights and
alignments a sophisticated set of hourlines could be painted on the
buildings
or street surfaces themselves.
I had purchased a cheap "spy" camera to discover what animals were
causing my automatic lights to come on during the night.? It also had timed
exposures which I've used both to explore the solar exposure of a given area
for sundial placement, but also to develop the temporary markings on
windows for the fun of it.? It is a great one day creation on hotel or motel
windows which satisfies the hunger for sundials that sundial addicts often
have.? :-)
Perhaps such a set of photos would be useful in schools for teaching about
shadows and timekeeping as well.
Enjoy the Light!
Edley.
?Hi Mashallah,
> Every time a huge edifice goes up I ask myself the same question. For
instance, the Millennium
> Dome in London is circular, with 12 masts, but I've never worked out how
to tell the time with it.
> If only someone would build a skyscraper at the North Pole....
>
> One building that, by design, has to incorporate the latitude is a
heliostat. The Kitt Peak
> Observatory has a great one that John Carmichael suggested be used as a
gnomon. See
> http://sundials.org/links/local/kittpeak/kittpeak.htm
> I'm not sure if that proposal resulted in a permanent dial.
>
> My daughter is moving to Singapore. Practically on the Equator, so I'm
working on the use of
> existing buildings there. Or, perhaps, a building that inclined 1.3degrees to
> the north. Would
> anyone notice such a small angle?
>
> Chris Lusby Taylor
> 51.4N 1.3W
>
>???? ----- Original Message -----
>???? From: Mashallah Ali-Ahyaie
>???? To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
>???? Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:56 AM
>???? Subject: Self-Motivated Contest for Building a Gargantuan-Sundial
Monument
>???? Greetings All Fellow Dialists,
>????
>????? I wonder if thereis any architect dialist among dialist group
>???? associated with sundial@uni-koeln.de . We have all noticed most
>???? of the magnificent sundials around the world are somehow
>???? located in open areas or attached to buildings, monuments, etc.
>???? How about designing a monument whichits whole building mass
>???? could serve as a gargantuan sundial? For example the Taj Mahal
>???? is a gargantuan Noon-Mark dial. For sure architects and dialist,
>???? hands in hands can design a monument serving as a sundial,
>???? while the monument itself could be utilized, for example as
>???? university building, a religion sanctuary, a public place, an
>???? international organization, etc. Could a self-motivated contest to
>???? be started among dialists and architects around the world for
>???? designing such a monument? However, I can't think of any
>???? budget for such a contest.
>????
>???? Best regards,
>????
>???? Mashallah Ali-Ahyaie
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*Dear Madam / Sir,*
**
* Please kindly note the following communication via emails, further
below, which made me informed of the magnificent work done at the Abbey of
Mont Saint-Michel, converting it into a sundial. *
* I hope one day the same concept could be adopted to the Taj Mahal, which
it is already a noon-mark dial, as one can find it out in my book, which the
information thereon is enclosed. *
* Please kindly do me a favor. sending me a URL, which could provide the
information on the Abbey of Mont Saint-Michel, as a sundial, in English.
Sorry, I am not that much good in French. *
*Best regards,*
*Mashallah Ali-Ahyaie*
*Communication via emails*
* *
* This morning I sent the following email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<sundial@uni-koeln.de>
*:*
*
>
> Greetings All Fellow Dialists,
> >
> > I wonder if there is any architect dialist among dialist group
> > associated with sundial@uni-koeln.de . We have all noticed most of the
> > magnificent sundials around the world are somehow located in open areas or
> > attached to buildings, monuments, etc. How about designing a monument
> > which its whole building mass could serve as a gargantuan sundial? For
> > example the Taj Mahal is a gargantuan Noon-Mark dial. For sure architects
> > and dialist, hands in hands can design a monument serving as a sundial,
> > while the monument itself could be utilized, for example as university
> > building, a religion sanctuary, a public place, an international
> > organization, etc. Could a self-motivated contest to be started among
> > dialists and architects around the world for designing such a monument?
> > However, I can't think of any budget for such a contest.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mashallah Ali-Ahyaie
> >
> *
*
I had earlier sent the following one, to introduce a book of mine,
including the same concept above-mentioned, as follows:
>
> >
> > Enclosed please kindly note the information on a recently-published
> > book of the undersigned, in Canada, by Trafford Publishing (
> > http://www.trafford.com, <http://www.trafford.com/> ) in the field of
> > mathematics / history of science / inter-faith dialogue.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is indeed a good material for free / leisure studies of the
> > university students. One can find out how a peculiar spherical ellipse is
> > determined on the planet earth.
> >
> >
> >
> > And it is also useful to those studying sundials since, the
> > symmetrical lay-out of the Taj Mahal had made it a noon-mark monument
> > too, because the geographical west and the direction toward Qiblah therein
> > are the same. The reason is that this spot is located on a giant spherical
> > ellipse on the planet earth.
> >
> >
> >
> > Stating that the Taj-Mahal monument is a noon-mark dial in essence,
> > since it is oriented according to cardinal points, there in Agra - its
> > symmetrical shadowing at the real noon time inspired me the idea, brought up
> > in my book (the peculiar spherical ellipse on the sphere) - I thought it
> > might be a good idea to convert this giant monument into a sophisticated
> > sundial today, via installing styles on the roof-top corners or else, to be
> > researched by any esteemed organization.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ideas and dialogue always bring about new ideas. Not only the world
> > wonder , theTaj Mahal monument could be adapted into a genius gargantuan
> > sundial, but this idea is applicable to many temples, being oriented and
> > cathedrals and churches, here and there around the world, since they are
> > also oriented in reference to cardinal points. Even though not being
> > oriented, this concept would also apply to many other monuments,
> > surrounded by good open areas.
> >
> >
> > Finally, please kindly do me a favor by forwarding this email to
> > those interested in the subject and the library.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> > Mashallah Ali-Ahyaie
> >
> *
*As a result, the following information was uploaded, which it is
exactly a very good example for my proposal:*
*
>
>
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:49:33 -0400
> > From: "Robert Terwilliger" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: Self-Motivated Contest for Building a Gargantuan-Sundial
> > Monument
> > To: "'Sundial Mailing List'" < sundial@uni-koeln.de >
> > Message-ID: < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > The Abbey of Mont Saint-Michel has been utilized as a sundial
> >
> > http://maget.maget.free.fr/SiteMont/
> >
> > Bob
> >
> *
*Kind regards,*
**
*Mashallah Ali-Ahyaie*
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> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:11:28 +0100
> From: "Analemma Sundials" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: sundial <-> building integration
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> Dear fellow shadow-watchers,
>
>
> I am looking for some examples of sundials which are integrated with
> (public or private) buildings.
> Like the Walt Disney build for instance.
>
> Does anyone of you has some more examples for me?
>
> kind regards,
> Hendrik Hollander
>
>
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> H J Hollander
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> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:30:12 +0100
> From: Willy Leenders < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: sundial <-> building integration
> To: "Analemma Sundials" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I have sent to Hendrik Hollander information and photos concerning a
> sundial (6.50 m x 3.30 m) on a concave cylindrical wall in Brussels
> (Belgium). The sundial is situated 16 m high.
>
> Willy LEENDERS
> Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium)
>
>
> Op 5-nov-07, om 09:11 heeft Analemma Sundials het volgende geschreven:
>
> > Dear fellow shadow-watchers,
> >
> >
> > I am looking for some examples of sundials which are integrated
> > with (public or private) buildings.
> > Like the Walt Disney build for instance.
> >
> > Does anyone of you has some more examples for me?
> >
> > kind regards,
> > Hendrik Hollander
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Analemma Sundials
> > H J Hollander
> > Fixed +31 20 6374383
> > Cell +31 616 462 879
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > www.analemma.biz
> > lat 52 23' long 4 57'
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